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FyreStar Member	posted December 29, 2002 11:09 PM quote: Originally posted by TeenieBopper: Say an opponent attacked me with a creature and I activate a Treetop Village, Mishra's Factory, etc. My opponent then cast lightning bolt on the village/factory. Do I have time to declare it as a blocker before it dies? Either way, can whoever answers the question explain why? You won't be able to declare your creature as a blocker unless your opponent wants you to. Here's why: The Combat Phase is broken down into five steps: Beginning of Combat Step Declare Attackers Step Declare Blockers Step Combat Damage Step End of Combat Step During each step, players have a chance to play instant speed spells and abilities, but only at certain times. Declaring attackers or blockers are the first things that happen in their respective Steps, before anyone has a chance to play spells or abilities. Once attacking or blocking declarations have been made, both players must pass priority to move into the next step. So, in your situation, you would move into the Declare Attackers step, at which point your opponent would choose the creatures with which to attack. Then you both have a chance for abilities. This is when you would activate your Treetop/Mishra's (you could do it earlier, but this is the latest possible time). Once the activation resolves, you and your opponent still must both pass priority before you can move into the Declare Blockers Step. If he chooses not to pass, instead opting to Lightning Bolt your manland, it will die. Then, once you both have no more effects, you can move into the Declare Blockers Step. Once you move into this Step, you must declare blockers immediately; you don't have time to activate anything first. __________________ You can't cheat an honest man.
gzeiger Member	posted December 29, 2002 11:12 PM You don't have time. Combat goes in a series of steps, as follows. As in the rest of Magic, you move to the next step only when both players pass priority (decline to play any effects) and there is nothing waiting on the stack to resolve. Beginning of combat (last chance to tap or kill a creature to stop it from attacking) Declare attackers Declare blockers Combat damage End of combat The assignment of attackers and blockers happens at the beginning of the appropriate steps, before either player receives priority, so a man-land or Chimeric artifact must be activated during or before the Declare Attackers step (when priority is received after attackers are actually declared) in order to be available as a creature to block. Since both players have to pass in succession with an empty stack to move the game to the Declare Blockers step, your opponent will always have a chance, after your ability has created a new creature, to try to kill that creature before it blocks. __________________ DCI certified Level 2 judge gzeiger@hotmail.com
TeenieBopper Member	posted December 29, 2002 11:26 PM Aw, pooey. Thanks alot guys.
Jazaray Moderator	posted December 30, 2002 05:04 AM Man-Lands and Coat of Arms... does it work? __________________ AIM Handle Jazaray MSN Handle Jazaray@hotmail.com Do Not Meddle in The Affairs of Dragons, For You Are Crunchy and Taste Good With Ketchup! Shout Outz: Tad, Justin, Jared, John, Dave, Dave, Dave, Ken, Nick, Nick, Jason, Kyra, Katie, Chris, Val, Ed, Alex, Evans Want your name here ^^? Just ask!
Gabethebabe Member	posted December 30, 2002 06:29 AM quote: Originally posted by Jazaray: Man-Lands and Coat of Arms... does it work? Mishra´s Factory is the only one with a creature type, so I would say: NO. __________________ GtB My eBay profile Please don´t send me instant messages or PM´s.
Jazaray Moderator	posted December 30, 2002 06:57 AM Once they turned into Land Creatures, wouldn't Land be a creature type __________________ AIM Handle Jazaray MSN Handle Jazaray@hotmail.com Do Not Meddle in The Affairs of Dragons, For You Are Crunchy and Taste Good With Ketchup! Shout Outz: Tad, Justin, Jared, John, Dave, Dave, Dave, Ken, Nick, Nick, Jason, Kyra, Katie, Chris, Val, Ed, Alex, Evans Want your name here ^^? Just ask!
Mrhat Member	posted December 30, 2002 10:02 AM quote: Originally posted by Jazaray: Once they turned into Land Creatures, wouldn't Land be a creature type No, they are lands and they are creatures, but they don't have a creature type. __________________ C:\format C: http://www.greenparty.org
Tad Member	posted December 30, 2002 02:16 PM Make my title bold someone __________________ Fly, mana bird... FLY. ICQ me at:147661722 Or MSN me:TadHudder@Hotmail.com Or you could even AIM me: l337 5p34k3r u For great articles tournaments decks/reports check out: The NS Magic site
Blazing Spirit Specter Member	posted December 30, 2002 06:33 PM ok, i just wanted to know something about artifacts if he has an enseanring brige out in play. i have an opposition in play can tap the brige at the end of his turn and swing for damage thanxs
oorza2001 Member	posted December 30, 2002 06:37 PM quote: Originally posted by Blazing Spirit Specter: ok, i just wanted to know something about artifacts if he has an enseanring brige out in play. i have an opposition in play can tap the brige at the end of his turn and swing for damage thanxs Even though the Bridge is tapped its effects still count, so you COULD tap it, but you still couldn't attack. __________________ #1 Posts in Hendersonville #2 Posts in Tennessee To live is to suffer To suffer is to die To die is to be reborn To be born is to live To live is to suffer... 9 Yavimaya Embraces! Trade me more! REFS
TunaBoo Member	posted December 30, 2002 06:38 PM quote: Originally posted by Blazing Spirit Specter: ok, i just wanted to know something about artifacts if he has an enseanring brige out in play. i have an opposition in play can tap the brige at the end of his turn and swing for damage thanxs edit - beat me Can you tap the opposition and not be able to tap things? Being tapped has nothing to do with the artifact working or not working. You are thinking of mono-artifacts or old stuff like howling mine. You don't randomly tap stuff to turn it off. TunaBoo Lvl 1 Judge [Edited 1 times, lastly by TunaBoo on December 30, 2002]
Drow Member	posted December 30, 2002 09:14 PM if i play brainstorm but decide not to draw the cards and use words of worships ability instead do i still have to discard 2 cards even though i didn't draw any
Mrhat Member	posted December 30, 2002 11:16 PM quote: Originally posted by Drow: if i play brainstorm but decide not to draw the cards and use words of worships ability instead do i still have to discard 2 cards even though i didn't draw any Text (MM): Draw three cards, then put any two cards from your hand on top of your library in any order So the answer would be no, you don't have to discard them, but you DO have to put 2 cards from your hand on top of your library. __________________ C:\format C: http://www.greenparty.org [Edited 1 times, lastly by Mrhat on December 30, 2002]
TunaBoo Member	posted December 30, 2002 11:33 PM quote: Originally posted by Mrhat: Text (MM): Draw three cards, then put any two cards from your hand on top of your library in any order So the answer would be no, you don't have to discard them, but you DO have to put 2 cards from your hand on top of your library. But if you have no hand...
eclinchy Member	posted December 31, 2002 06:43 AM Engineered Plague is on the table, making my Diligent Farmhand automatically a 0/0 when he comes into play. Can I sack him in response to him dying? __________________ I apologize for everything I just said. E-Mail Address: eclinchy@yahoo.com AIM Handle: eclinchy5 MSN Handle: eclinchy5@hotmail.com The Apprentice Directory Go Celtics and Go Bruins!
TunaBoo Member	posted December 31, 2002 07:02 AM quote: Originally posted by eclinchy: Engineered Plague is on the table, making my Diligent Farmhand automatically a 0/0 when he comes into play. Can I sack him in response to him dying? No, he dies as a state based effect upon entering play. You have no time to use his ability. __________________ HanSolo6385 is my bitch. Packing fudge is bad for your health. Tuna's Most Wanted Card Of The Week: Japanese Chr. City Of Brass Any information leading to the trade or purchase of such a card for a fair price will be rewarded. We will not ask for your name, and we don't have caller ID.
Drow Member	posted December 31, 2002 08:44 AM what is the best color (beside's white) and the best combo to use with astral slide plz help
Drow Member	posted December 31, 2002 08:49 AM quote: Originally posted by Drow: if i play brainstorm but decide not to draw the cards and use words of worships ability instead do i still have to discard 2 cards even though i didn't draw any ok bad example not using brainstorm lets say it was merfolk looter's ability that i was using. I take it i still have to discard even thought i didn't draw because that's the cards effect.
TunaBoo Member	posted December 31, 2002 09:23 AM quote: Originally posted by Drow: ok bad example not using brainstorm lets say it was merfolk looter's ability that i was using. I take it i still have to discard even thought i didn't draw because that's the cards effect. You HAVE to look at the specific wording on the card, there is no general catch all case for words. In this case merfolk looter quote: Text (7th): 1/1. ; {Tap}: Draw a card, then discard a card from your hand. So you replace the draw part, but NOT the discard. As long as there is at least 1 card in your hand, you have to discard. Look up read the runes. I think that does what you want. __________________ HanSolo6385 is my bitch. Packing fudge is bad for your health. Tuna's Most Wanted Card Of The Week: Japanese Chr. City Of Brass Any information leading to the trade or purchase of such a card for a fair price will be rewarded. We will not ask for your name, and we don't have caller ID.
TunaBoo Member	posted December 31, 2002 09:25 AM quote: Originally posted by Drow: what is the best color (beside's white) and the best combo to use with astral slide plz help Red for lightning rift, or green for cartographer/tusker etc. Green is pretty slow though. This is not the proper place to ask this question. Try the magic discussion forum (but not this thread) __________________ HanSolo6385 is my bitch. Packing fudge is bad for your health. Tuna's Most Wanted Card Of The Week: Japanese Chr. City Of Brass Any information leading to the trade or purchase of such a card for a fair price will be rewarded. We will not ask for your name, and we don't have caller ID.
the phoenix Member	posted December 31, 2002 09:43 AM Does Power Artifact work with Mana Vault like it does with Grim Monolith to produce infinite mana? I don't think it does work, but I can't find a reason for it not to. __________________ hardcore T1 player 4L e-mail -> simardfa@sympatico.ca refs -> http://refs.magictraders.com/the_phoenix.html Trade me your misprints! E-mail me for information on monthly T1 tournaments in Montreal.
FyreStar Member	posted December 31, 2002 09:55 AM quote: Originally posted by the phoenix: Does Power Artifact work with Mana Vault like it does with Grim Monolith to produce infinite mana? I don't think it does work, but I can't find a reason for it not to. It doesn't work. Here is Mana Vault's Oracle text: quote: Mana Vault doesn't untap during your untap step. At the beginning of your upkeep, you may pay 4. If you do, untap Mana Vault. At the beginning of your draw step, if Mana Vault is tapped, it deals 1 damage to you. Tap: Add three colorless mana to your mana pool. And here is Power Artifact: quote: Enchanted artifact's activated abilities cost up to 2 less to play. If this would make an ability cost 0 or less mana to play, it costs 1, plus any nonmana costs. Paying mana to untap Mana Vault is part of a triggered ability, not an activated ability, so Power Artifact doesn't reduce that cost. Also, since the payment is part of a triggered ability, you only get one chance to untap Mana Vault. That differs from Grim Monolith, which you can untap any time you could play an instant(and multiple times per turn). __________________ You can't cheat an honest man. [Edited 1 times, lastly by FyreStar on December 31, 2002]
the phoenix Member	posted December 31, 2002 10:16 AM Ah, I see, thanks. It would work with Basalt Monolith, though, if I also used a card such as Initiates of the Ebon Hand, right? __________________ hardcore T1 player 4L e-mail -> simardfa@sympatico.ca refs -> http://refs.magictraders.com/the_phoenix.html Trade me your misprints! E-mail me for information on monthly T1 tournaments in Montreal.
FyreStar Member	posted December 31, 2002 10:19 AM quote: Originally posted by the phoenix: Ah, I see, thanks. It would work with Basalt Monolith, though, if I also used a card such as Initiates of the Ebon Hand, right? Correct. __________________ You can't cheat an honest man.
the phoenix Member	posted December 31, 2002 10:21 AM __________________ hardcore T1 player 4L e-mail -> simardfa@sympatico.ca refs -> http://refs.magictraders.com/the_phoenix.html Trade me your misprints! E-mail me for information on monthly T1 tournaments in Montreal.

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