posted January 30, 2003 03:26 AM            

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Originally posted by capone:
ok i have a question about enchant creatures. if i put an enchant creature on an opponenets creature. do i contrll and activate that enchantment or does he. some problems were..regeneration on the opponents critter.so do i pay the green if i were to regenerate it? another example is torture. i would think that i activate that cause i would want to harm it.in that way then couldent i put a hermatic study on his creature and tap it when ever i wanted to do dam to something?

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Two possibilities:
- the local Enchantment has an ability
- the local Enchantment gives an ability to the creature.

E.g.

Hermetic Study
1U
Enchant Creature
Enchanted creature has "{T}: This creature deals 1 damage to target creature or player."

This gives an ability to the creature ("Enchanted creature has"), so it can only be played by the controller of the creature.

Regeneration
{1}{G}
Enchant Creature
{G}: Regenerate enchanted creature.

Torture
{B}
Enchant Creature
{1}{B}: Put a -1/-1 counter on enchanted creature.

These enchantments do not give an ability to the creature. Only the controller of the Enchantment can play the ability.

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posted January 30, 2003 02:55 PM            

G.27.9 - Any abilities which would trigger when the permanent "comes into play" will _NOT_ trigger when it "phases in". [CompRules 2001/07/23 - 502.15d] This is a special and important rule about Phasing that may not seem like common sense. It is nonetheless a rule.
G.27.12 - Permanents remember their history when they phase in. For example, a The Fallen remembers who it has damaged, and a Safe Haven will not forget which creatures it has set aside. [CompRules 2001/07/23 - 502.15f]

The Nishoba will retain the same number of counters it had when it phased out.

posted January 30, 2003 09:14 PM            

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posted January 31, 2003 01:27 PM            

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Originally posted by coinmagic45:
Hi,
I have a question about the card Contested Cliffs. If I have it in play and, say, a Ravenous Baloth, can I put the Cliffs ability on the stack against his 4/4 and then sac my Baloth to gain for life while at the same time kiling his 4/4? I don't think it's legal b/c I think the card checks between announcing that I'm playing it and it resolving, and it's not like combat where damage is assigned and then resolved. Please, however, help me settle this question.
Thanx,
coinmagic45

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It doesn't work.

From the Contested Cliffs section of the Onslaught FAQ :

"* If one of the targets is illegal when the ability resolves, it will do nothing. The target that's illegal can't be affected by the ability, so it can't be made to deal damage and can't have damage dealt to it."

posted January 31, 2003 02:02 PM            

1. Can I put "At the Beginning of your upkeep" abilities on the stack with each other? For instance, can I refuse to pay a freshly cast Bone Shredder's echo, let it go to the graveyard, then recur back to my hand it with a Genesis?

2. Ok, this is a really dumb question, but whatever. You have a Seedborn Muse and an Opposition out. During thier untap step, can you wait for thier permanents to untap, tap some with your creatures, then untap your creatures with the Muse? Obviosuly, I assume you can't, but just checking.

Thanks for your time!

posted January 31, 2003 02:08 PM            

Never mind: I figured they must work in a timestamp order.. no putting Raging Rivers in my "screw you, judge"-deck
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posted January 31, 2003 02:09 PM            

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Originally posted by vacalicious:
ok, these are both probably really stupid questions, but I'm just not positive about either of them.

1. Can I put "At the Beginning of your upkeep" abilities on the stack with each other? For instance, can I refuse to pay a freshly cast Bone Shredder's echo, let it go to the graveyard, then recur back to my hand it with a Genesis?

2. Ok, this is a really dumb question, but whatever. You have a Seedborn Muse and an Opposition out. During thier untap step, can you wait for thier permanents to untap, tap some with your creatures, then untap your creatures with the Muse? Obviosuly, I assume you can't, but just checking.

Thanks for your time!

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2. Nope. Nobody gets priority during the Untap Step, and your permanents would untap at the same time as your opponent's anyway.

posted January 31, 2003 02:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Preacher:
What happens when I have Stand or Fall and Raging River in play at the same time?

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First, the latest card wordings:

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Raging River
At the beginning of your combat phase, each opponent chooses "east" or "west" for each creature without flying he or she controls. ; As you declare attacking creatures, choose "east" or "west" for each attacking creature. ; East creatures can't block "west" creatures. "West" creatures can't block "east" creatures.

Stand or Fall
At the beginning of your combat phase, separate all creatures defending player controls into two piles. Only creatures in the pile of that player's choice may block this turn.

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What you should do is let River's effect resolve first, and have your opponent seperate his creatures into east and west. Then let Stand or Fall resolve, and choose his east creatures as one pile and his west creatures as another pile. Whichever pile he picks, send all your creatures attacking on the other side of the River. Net result; your guys can't be blocked.

posted January 31, 2003 02:47 PM         

1.) My opponent dark banishes my Dragon. I redirect it to his black creature. what happens?

2.) My Dragon attacks. He uses second thoughts it. I redirect it to his creature. what happens?

B. My opponent has no creature in play and i have a Quicksilver dragon in play.

1.) My opponent casts a spell on my Dragon. I redirect it and let it fizzle without a target. Can i do that?

C. I have a qicksilver dragon in play. My opponent has a Piledriver in play.

posted January 31, 2003 03:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Spelljack:
A. I have a Quicksilver Dragon in play. My opponent has a black creature in play.

1.) My opponent dark banishes my Dragon. I redirect it to his black creature. what happens?

2.) My Dragon attacks. He uses second thoughts it. I redirect it to his creature. what happens?

B. My opponent has no creature in play and i have a Quicksilver dragon in play.

1.) My opponent casts a spell on my Dragon. I redirect it and let it fizzle without a target. Can i do that?

C. I have a qicksilver dragon in play. My opponent has a Piledriver in play.

1.) My opponent uses firebolt on my dragon. Since the text in Quicksilver doesn't say "change that spell's target to target creature", i can redirect it to his pile driver which has protection from blue. can i do that?

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1. You can't do that. You can activate the Dragon's ability targeting the Dark Banishing, but when it resolve, you must pick a target that is legal. Since the black creature isn't a legal target, there is no change.

2. Same situation. There needs to be another attacking creature for a target change to happen.

B:
1. Nope. If there are no other targets, the Quicksilver Dragon remains the target.

C:
1. Yes, that is legal.

posted January 31, 2003 03:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Spelljack:
That's quick.
nwei, can i cast dark banishing or unified strke without a legal target so that i can just have cards in my graveyard?

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Nope. You need targets.