posted June 17, 2001 02:32 AM            

can you use a captains manuver to redirect the damage because its not preventig it just goes somewhere else

i am almost positive you can UNLESS they errata the text on the rage
but my friends are saying no provr me right again like you did with the pariah/trecherous link =)

posted June 17, 2001 12:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Selvaxri:
i have Dual Nature in play, and i play Penumbra Kavu (and i get a penumbra kavu clone). My opponent kills the original Kavu; hence killing the clone. Do i get 1 black penumbra kavu or two?

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do i still get a black penumbra Kavu if i the token is destroyed, but not the original?

i have a Penumbra Kavu and the 'nature clone' out. My opponent plays Wrath of God. How many tokens do i get?
lmk

posted June 17, 2001 01:17 PM         

2. Also if i have a taiga, a underground sea and a plains out does spirit of resistances ability work?

posted June 17, 2001 09:36 PM         

If I play a Scorching Lava (kicked), then Shock, then Lightning Bolt on a Spiritmonger with 1 counter, does the kicker of Lava remove it from game, therefore not allowing to be regenerated or do I have to play Lava last, therefore giving the final damage before it can be removed from game?

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posted June 18, 2001 05:55 AM            

could find the other card, but if it just redirects to a other target i guess it's okay cuz it's not counterd or prevented

Selvaxri - uhmm 1 kavu dead = 1 token 2 kavu dead = 2 tokens
it's an exact copy so it does the same when it dies

well if the tokens dies noo matter what you get the token

and if you play wrath of god you get 2 tokens

AOA - Search your library for a land card of each basic land type and put them into play, so you have to search BASIC lands and duals lands are NOT basic land types they COUNT as a forest and a plains for example.

2. well lands dont have colors so it doesnt work

3. well all the lands with green in it count as forests dont they so you'll get X token X is where the numbers of duals with green in it you control

HanSolo6385 - okay you play you play and you play all goes on stack
so first the lightning bolt deals 3 damage
the the shock deals 2
and then the lava deals it's damage and with kicker it's removed from the game

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posted June 18, 2001 10:16 AM         

dyperbaby: You're right, it doesn't prevent anything so you can redirect (part of) the damage from a kickered UR to something else.

Selvaxri: Uhm, what Drengar said.

AOA: 1. Well this is a tricky one, and you have to read the wording carefully... It says to search your library for a land of every basic land type, as opposed to a basic land of each type. There's a subtle difference, which means you -can- search for dual lands with it. The ruling on Global Ruin seems to confirm this:

Global Ruin:
Info: Color=White Type=Sorcery Cost=4W IN(R1)
Text(IN): Each player chooses from the lands he or she controls a land of
each basic land type, then sacrifices the rest.
You sacrifice all lands other than the chosen ones. Since you can only
choose basic lands, your non-basic lands are all going to be
sacrificed (unless you have non-basic lands that also count as a basic
land type, in which case you could choose them). [D'Angelo 01/01/16]
If a land counts as multiple basic land types (for example, Taiga is
both a Forest and a Mountain), you can choose it for either or for both
of those land types. [Jordan 01/02/12]

2. What Drengar said

3. If you have exactly one of each of the duals in play you'll have 4 Forests, Swamps, Mountains, Islands and Plains. So you get 4 Sap tokens, do 8 dmg to a creature, gain 8 life, make opponent lose 8 life and draw/discard 4 cards.

posted June 18, 2001 10:16 PM         

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Originally posted by Gombies:
My question is my opponent has 10 lands out, he rituals and cast rage with kicker all . I was below 10 life. I have a thwart in hand and could i use my thwart to counter the dark ritual so that the rage cannot be played at all? My opponent said no since it was a mana source. I want to ask here to make sure

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posted June 19, 2001 02:46 AM            

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Originally posted by Knight of Ni:
i think that you get priority after he casts the ritual, so u should have countered it then. but a spell's a spell, so i think u could counter the ritual (im not sure)

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This thread has become like a testing forum for wannabe rules gurus. If you are not sure, then don't post. There are plenty of those who can give the right answer, but if one is not sure, it creates confusion.

Reading and quoting the Ritual's correct text would help you and poor Gombies, who obviously does not quite believe us here, too.

One of the most important things that changed with the 6th ed. rules was that there are no more mana sources! Ritual is an instant and can be responded to. That means it can be countered.

So here it is:
Dark Ritual
Color=Black Type=Instant Cost=B ABUR45(C1)/IA(C1)/MI(C1)/TE(C1)/US(C1)/MM(C1)/BR(F1)/BD(F1)
Text(5/MI/TE/US/MM): Add {B}{B}{B} to your mana pool.

This card, as with all instants cards, goes to the graveyard when it resolves. It does not stay in play. [D'Angelo 99/05/01]
Extended tournaments (see Rule D.15) have banned this card since 00/04/01.
Note - In Mirage, Fifth Edition, Tempest, and Urza's Saga, this spell was of type Mana Source. In Ice Age, Fourth Edition (and before), it was of type Interrupt. It is now of type Instant.
Dark

So once again: if you are not sure about your answer, read the rules. Do not create confusion!

Thanks and sorry for the rant.

posted June 19, 2001 04:19 AM            

Have a nice day, everyone.

posted June 19, 2001 06:58 AM            

well if it's i guess it's
just stop try-ing to be god you do not know everything like you say you do

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posted June 19, 2001 08:02 AM            

1.) Am I allowed to Undermine something like a Rage just so they can lose 3 life?

posted June 19, 2001 10:04 AM            

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posted June 19, 2001 10:10 AM         

Dark Ritual was not changed a few weeks ago, it was changed a few YEARS ago - I'm not sure when exactly.

Pinky: 1. Yes you can Undermine a Rage so they'll lose 3 life.
2. You would lose 4 life during the resolution of Urza's Guilt and before all instances of Megrim's triggered ability can go on the stack you will die when StateBased Effects are checked.

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posted June 19, 2001 08:41 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Drengar:
Well when i judged the PTQ teams 3 or 4 weeks ago i asked the lvl 3 judge here in holland
he told me that it was changed

well if it's i guess it's
just stop try-ing to be god you do not know everything like you say you do

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there are differences now.. they are now mana abilities.. but spells are still spells.. tapping a llanowar for mana is a mana ability.. doesnt use the stack.. but ritual will still go on the stack as a spell

mana sources dont exist anymore