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Originally posted by HereticFT:
Ok, 2 questions:

If you have an older version of a card that is tourny legal right now, would that card be tourny legal? Like a tempest Lobotomy..

If I have a Elfhame Sanctuary, and I use the land ablity, could I also use Island Sanctuary's ablity, because I skip my draw step, therefor skip drawing a card?

Thanks!

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1) Yes, you may use the older printing of a card. Cards with the same english name are interchangable. Unless there is some reason for the illegality (marked cards, from the World Champion decks, etc.) it is fine to use the older printing

2) Here is the text of the cards in question:

Island Sanctuary
1W
Enchantment
If you would draw a card during your draw step, instead you may skip that draw. If you do, until the beginning of your next turn, only creatures with flying or islandwalk may attack you.

Elfhame Sanctuary
1G
Enchantment
At the beginning of your upkeep, you may search your library for a basic land card, reveal that card, and put it into your hand. If you do, skip your draw step this turn and shuffle your library.

So, if you use the Elfhame Sanctuary in your upkeep, you are no longer going to draw a card during your draw step. Thus, Island Sanctuary has no draw to replace (If you would draw a card..) and you cannot use ability of the Island Sanctuary.

I hope that helps,

posted August 15, 2001 08:31 PM            

1. If i declare an attack and i have spirit monger and lanowar dead out. My oppenent responds to my declaration of attack by casting repulse on my monger do I still have to attack with the untapped lanowar dead?

2. Can I declare an attack and then not attack with anything?

3. My opponent has a power stone minefield out and i have 2 1/1 creatures out. Can he attack with the creatures and still do the damage to my opponent?

I don't think he can because he declares his attack then he declares specific attackers and i think at this point powerstone minefield would deal its damage to his creatures that are attacking.

4. he has powerstone minefield out and he attacks with his 3/3. i block with a 1/1. i

posted August 15, 2001 08:37 PM            

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Originally posted by rhys:
4 questions:

1. If i declare an attack and i have spirit monger and lanowar dead out. My oppenent responds to my declaration of attack by casting repulse on my monger do I still have to attack with the untapped lanowar dead?

2. Can I declare an attack and then not attack with anything?

3. My opponent has a power stone minefield out and i have 2 1/1 creatures out. Can he attack with the creatures and still do the damage to my opponent?

I don't think he can because he declares his attack then he declares specific attackers and i think at this point powerstone minefield would deal its damage to his creatures that are attacking.

4. he has powerstone minefield out and he attacks with his 3/3. i block with a 1/1. i

i think my 1/1 dies before it deals damage to the 3/3 but it has alredy bean declared as a blocker so i take no damage. Am i right.

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1. Yes, you can't un-attack because your opponent made your attack weaker.

2. You can say "I attack with nothing" but what would that do, you are basically skipping your attack phase, why wouldn't you say, I don't attack, or just not mention it at all?

3. What's a powerstone minefield??? I never heard of it...

posted August 15, 2001 09:15 PM            

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Originally posted by SuperJimmy:

2. You can say "I attack with nothing" but what would that do, you are basically skipping your attack phase, why wouldn't you say, I don't attack, or just not mention it at all?

3. What's a powerstone minefield??? I never heard of it...

4. Same as above

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2.You might want to declare an attack to scare your opponent into activating a chimeric idol

3. powerstone minefield(apocolipse)2RW
Whenever a creature attacks or blocks, powerstone minefield deals 2 damage to it.

posted August 15, 2001 09:58 PM            

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2.You might want to declare an attack to scare your opponent into activating a chimeric idol

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posted August 15, 2001 10:05 PM            

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posted August 15, 2001 10:08 PM            

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posted August 15, 2001 11:07 PM            

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Originally posted by rhys:

1. If i declare an attack and i have spirit monger and lanowar dead out. My oppenent responds to my declaration of attack by casting repulse on my monger do I still have to attack with the untapped lanowar dead?

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After you declare which creatures are attacking, and you have no further spells or effects, you pass priority. This is the time when your opponent can repulse your spiritmonger..if he does, then it is removed from combat, and barring any other effects, the Llanowar Dead continues combat normally.

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2. Can I declare an attack and then not attack with anything?

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Straight from Comprehensive Rules:

"308.4. If no creatures are declared as attackers, the game proceeds directly to the end of combat step, skipping the remainder of the declare attackers step and the intervening steps."

So yes, it does count as an attack, and it is called a Null Attack.

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3. My opponent has a power stone minefield out and i have 2 1/1 creatures out. Can he attack with the creatures and still do the damage to my opponent?

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Powerstone Minefield 2RW
Whenever a creature attacks or blocks, powerstone minefield deals 2 damage to it.

I'm trying to figure out what you mean. I think you are saying that your opponent has the 1/1's. If that is true, then after they are declared as attackers, the minefield's trigger ability goes on the stack. Barring any other effects, the 2 damage on each will resolve and when State Based Effects are checked, they are dead. (before assigning combat damage)

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4. he has powerstone minefield out and he attacks with his 3/3. i block with a 1/1.

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He declares his 3/3 attacking, the minefield triggers and barring any other effects, deals 2 damage to it. SBE's are checked, it isn't dead, so we move to declare blockeres. You declare one of your 1/1's as a blocker, and that puts the minefield trigger on the stack. Again, barring any other effects, the 2 damage resolves, and your 1/1 dies before it can deal combat damage. But the important thing is the 3/3 is considered blocked, and unless the attacker has or can gain trample, it cannot assign any damage to you, as it has already been blocked.

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posted August 15, 2001 11:11 PM            

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Originally posted by DragonSoul:
oh yeah...one more question that came up today...can I kill pro black creatures with massacre? again, thank you for your time...I love this post...it's so convenient.

sincerely,

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Glad to help

Protection bestows 4 "abilities" to a creature, and they are...

"502.7b A permanent with protection can't be targeted by spells or abilities that have the stated quality, and can't be enchanted by enchantments that have the stated quality. In addition, any damage that would be dealt to it from sources having that quality is prevented. If it attacks, it can't be blocked by creatures having that quality."

So, since Massacre does not target, is not enchanting any creature, and does not deal damage, the black creatures that have their toughness reduced to 0 or less all die when State Based Effects's are checked.

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Originally posted by p3ndrag0n:
If I use unnatural selection and there is 2 llanowar elves and a avatar of might (just example) in play at my opponent, what happend if I turn all his animals into legends? will the second elve die?

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Yes, the Llanowar Elf that you turn into a Legend last will die as a state based effect.

I hope that helps,

posted August 16, 2001 11:52 AM            

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Originally posted by SuperJimmy:

2. You can say "I attack with nothing" but what would that do, you are basically skipping your attack phase, why wouldn't you say, I don't attack, or just not mention it at all?

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But, you can't just skip your combat phase.

Here's a scenario:

My opponent has two untapped islands and a Living Airship and one card in his hand. I have a Rishadan Port, one forest, one mountain and a plains in play and a Llanowar Elf. In my hand I have a Pacifism. I want to play Pacifism on the Airship, but I fear that his one card in his hand is a Counterspell. So, I tap my Port and my forest and tap one of his islands. In response, he adds U to his mana pool. If I try to play Pacifism now, he stil has access to two blue mana. So, I declare an attack. If I attack with my Elf, he'll block with his Airship and my Elf will die. I cannot just skip my attack phase arbitrarily because I feel like it and move onto my second main phase and I cannot just assume that I've moved onto my second main phase because it's not clear that I have done so if I don't declare an attack. I want to clear his mana pool, but I don't want my Elf to die, so what can I do?

I declare an attack with ZERO creatures and my opponent's mana pool is cleared, my Elf is still alive, and now he only has one island untapped. I can now safely play Pacifism on his Living Airship.

Here is an important rule:

300.1. A turn consists of five phases, in this order: beginning, first main, combat, second main, and end. Each of these phases takes place every turn, even if nothing happens during the phase.

So, I can't just choose not to have a combat phase and I can't choose not to attack, actually. All I can choose to do is specify how many creatures I attack with, in this case, 0. It's a subtle difference, but an important one.

Compare with this scenario:

My opponent has 5 islands and 5 swamps in play, a Plague Spitter in play and one card in his hand (unknown to me - a Spinal Embrace).

I have 5 forests in play and a single Kavu Titan which I just played. I have no cards in my hand. I am at 3 life and he is at 15 life. I'm obviously not going to attack with anything, so I'd just like to skip my attack and pass the turn, but I have to go through all the steps. I end my first main phase, move onto my combat step and I pass priority to him before declaring attackers...

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Originally posted by Meat:
Can Bind be used to counter Cycling? According to the rules, Cycling is an activated ability of a card in a player's hand, which would suggest Bind would work.

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Yes, you may use a Bind to counteract Cycling. Here is the appropriate rule in the current rulebook:

502.18a Cycling is an activated ability that functions only while the card with cycling is in a
player's hand. The phrase "Cycling [cost]" means "[Cost], Discard this card from your
hand: Draw a card. Play this ability only if this card is in your hand."

I hope that helps,

posted August 18, 2001 04:00 AM            

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Originally posted by DataMan:
Yes, the Llanowar Elf that you turn into a Legend last will die as a state based effect.

I hope that helps,

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Will that work? Because it was mentioned that turning a creature's type with Unnatural Selection to Flagbearer doesn't bestow on it the Flagbearer ability. So, if you change two creatures of the same name to Legend, they won't necessarily be affected the Legend rule? I've been wondering about this lately, so if some one can elaborate the ruling i'd appreciate it. Thanks

~RPGfreak17

BTW: Coolio, you need to start Part 8, this is too long to read now!

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posted August 18, 2001 05:40 AM            

Are FOILED cards tournament legal, I remember hearing somewhere that they arent unless you're using an all foil deck which is pretty hard when you're trying to play w/ Morphlings.

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