posted May 03, 2001 08:16 PM            

okay i have a crystilling sliver in play can slivers be countered?

also is a metalic sliver(1 colorless for a 1/1 artifact creature that counts as a sliver) and i have a urzas incubatr in play is it free

posted May 03, 2001 08:23 PM            

As for Metallic Sliver/Incubator, you are correct, you can play it for free as its cost is reduced by 2. You can still only play it when you could play it normally though(not as an instant).

posted May 05, 2001 03:56 PM            

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Originally posted by VaughanDude:
Lets say a 5/5 creature with trample attacks me and I block with Cho-Manno. Do I take 3 damage?

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Yes, because even though all damage dealt to Cho-Manno is prevented the 3 left is dealt to the player.

posted May 05, 2001 06:56 PM            

Yawgmoth's Agenda
Enchantment 3BB
Play no more than one spell each turn. You may play cards in your graveyard as though they were in your hand. If a card would be put into your graveyard from anywhere, remove that card from the game instead.

Now, my dilemma is, if I play a card in my graveyard, it stays there correct? So, essentially if I have a Counterspell in my graveyard, I can continue to cast the same Counterspell once a turn?

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posted May 06, 2001 07:17 AM            

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Originally posted by gzeiger:
You are correct under the old rules. the 6th and 7th edition trample rule only requires a player to assign damage to Cho-Manno equal to his toughness. That damage will be prevented, but if the controller of the trampling creature chooses to assign some damage to the defending player that damage is not prevented.

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posted May 06, 2001 08:03 AM            

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Originally posted by VaughanDude:
Hm... Can a player assign damage to another player? I thought he could only do that if he dealt [b]LETHAL DAMAGE to the blocking creature.[/B]

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VaughanDude, if you know how the situation works, why did you ask? You were answered correctly by trax and others. If you still do not believe, here are Trample rules from the Oracle, the important part bolded out for you:

A.27 - Trample
A.27.1 - The ability is written "Trample". [CompRules 99/04/23]
A.27.2 - Trample modifies the rules for assigning combat damage when a
creature with Trample is attacking. Trample has no effect if the creature
is blocking or while not in combat. [CompRules 99/04/23]
A.27.3 - If all the creatures blocking a Trample attacker receive lethal
damage, any remaining damage is assigned as its controller chooses among
the blocking creatures and the defending player. [CompRules 99/04/23]
A.27.4 - Blocking creatures which cannot receive combat damage are simply
ignored when assigning damage. [CompRules 99/04/23] Note: It appears
that no card currently uses this wording any more so this is likely an
obsolete rule. All cards which used to say this now prevent damage and
fall under rule A.27.9 instead. [DeLaney 99/12/16]
A.27.5 - If all blocking creatures are either removed from combat or are
unable to have damage assigned to them, all of the Trample creature's
damage is assigned to the defending player. [CompRules 99/04/23]
A.27.6 - If a blocking creature is to receive damage from more than
one attacking creature because it blocked multiple attackers (due to an
ability or because the attackers were Banded), the player assigning the
damage may assign the non-Trample creature's damage first in order to
maximize the amount that can be assigned to the defending player. (Note
that the damage is really assigned all at once, not "first" and "next",
but it is easier to explain this way.) [CompRules 99/04/23]
A.27.7 - Trample is a non-cumulative ability. Having Trample more than once
gives no additional effect. See Rule A.1.2. [CompRules 99/04/23]
A.27.8 - Trample is a static ability. [CompRules 99/04/23]
A.27.9 - Assigning damage from a Trample creature only considers the actual
toughness of the creature, not any abilities or effects that might prevent
or redirect damage once it is assigned. [CompRules 99/04/23] For example,
if a 2/2 creature with Protection from Green blocked a Force of Nature,
you would only need to assign 2 damage to it, even though that damage will
be prevented by the ability during damage prevention.
[WotC Rules Team 98/10/18] Another way of thinking of this is that you
need to assign enough damage that the creature would be lethally damaged
if nothing prevented or redirected the damage. [D'Angelo 99/05/01]
A.27.Ruling.1 - The player distributing the damage can assign more damage
to a creature than is needed to kill that creature, and can choose to not
assign damage at all to one or more blocking creatures. If any blocking
creature is not going to be lethally damaged (see Rule K.10.4), however,
no damage may be assigned to the defending player. [CompRules 99/04/23]
For example, if a Force of Nature (8/8 Trample) is blocked by
three 2/2 creatures, you could a) assign all 8 damage to one blocker,
b) 4 to each of two blockers, c) 3 to one 3 to another and 2 to the third,
c) 3 to one, 2 to each other, and 1 to the defending player, d) 2 to each
blocker and 2 to the defending player, and so on.
A.27.Ruling.2 - If a creature was damaged prior to combat damage being
assigned, you only need to assign enough additional damage to make the
creature have damage on it equal to its toughness before satisfying the
Trample rules. In other words, enough to make the creature have lethal
damage (see Rule K.10.4). [D'Angelo 98/10/08]

posted May 06, 2001 06:59 PM         

Going beyond your example, your opponent could have played the Panther as an instant after combat damage was assigned (but before damage is resolved or dealt). Then the Spider would deal 2 damage to the Blastderm, but bounce to the players hand before dying to the 5 damage assigned from the Blastoderm.

Fun eh?

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posted May 06, 2001 07:15 PM         

i block hte flesh reaver and he takes four. the mogg fanatic deals one combat damage and is sacked to deal another point of damage

posted May 06, 2001 07:21 PM         

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Originally posted by reinhart:
i have a blocker out and i'm at 2 life. My opponent is attacking with mogg fanatic and flesh reaver and is at 4 life

i block hte flesh reaver and he takes four. the mogg fanatic deals one combat damage and is sacked to deal another point of damage

does someone win this game? or is it a draw?

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I will be more specific on this game, as it refers to my game...

My opponent attacks with 1 Mogg Fanatic, and 1 Flesh Rever.
I choose to block the Flesh Weaver with a Sliver. (I am at 2 life, and my opponent is at 4)
He stacks combat damnage, and sacrifices the Fanatic to deal me one dmn.

What happens? Does all damnage resolve at the same time? Or is the Reaver's ability stacked, and he dies, or do we both die at the same time?

PLZ Let me know as soon as possable

posted May 06, 2001 07:30 PM         

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Originally posted by reinhart:
i have a blocker out and i'm at 2 life. My opponent is attacking with mogg fanatic and flesh reaver and is at 4 life

i block hte flesh reaver and he takes four. the mogg fanatic deals one combat damage and is sacked to deal another point of damage

does someone win this game? or is it a draw?

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I think you would lose, and here's why:

The Flesh Reaver's ability triggers when it deals damage to a creature or opponent (as opposed to when its damage is assigned.) That means the combat damage must resolve for the Flesh Reavers ability to trigger. Then the damage to be dealt by the Flesh Reaver's ability would go on the stack.

So the Mogg Fanatic could be sacced after it's combat damage is assigned (to you). It would resolve before combat damage. Then when combat damage resolves, you would be at zero life. The Reavers ability would trigger and go on the stack but never get a chance to resolve as the game would end before anything else could resolve.

Or, the Mogg Fantatic could be sacced after combat damage is resolved and it's ability would go on the stack. The Mogg Fanatics ability would resolve before the Reavers, and you would be at zero life.

Now my head hurts. I hope that made sense. :o)

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posted May 06, 2001 07:41 PM         

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Originally posted by rpitcher:
Now my head hurts. I hope that made sense. )

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Yep... Just wondeing, what rulings/referances have you looked at? and can someone else re-inforce this? (I really want to try and see several peoples opinions if possable)

posted May 06, 2001 08:01 PM         

Other than that it's just an understanding of the stack.

The one thing I would want confirmed, is my interpretation of "assigned" versus "dealt". My understanding is that the Reaver's ability will trigger when it's combat damage is dealt (meaning when its combat damage resolves, not when it is assigned).

The official rules regarding assigning and dealing combat damage during the combat damage step seem to suggest I am thinking correctly, but maybe I am missing something else.

EDIT: DUH typos.
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posted May 06, 2001 08:15 PM            

This is the errata'd text of Flesh Reaver:
Whenever ~this~ deals damage to a creature or opponent, ~this~ deals that much damage to you.

These are the relevant rules concerning triggered effects. The ability goes on the stack when damage is dealt.

404.1. A triggered ability begins with the word "when," "whenever," or "at." The phrase containing one of these words is the trigger condition, which defines the trigger event.

404.2. Triggered abilities aren't played. Instead, they automatically "trigger" each time their trigger event occurs. Once an ability has triggered, it goes on the stack the next time a player receives priority.

And finally, here are the rules that make the distinction between assigning and dealing damage:

310.1. First the active player announces how each attacking creature will assign its combat damage. Then the defending player announces how each blocking creature will assign its combat damage. (See also rule 502.2, "First Strike.") A player may divide a creature's combat damage as he or she chooses among the legal recipients. Dividing combat damage is subject to the following restrictions:

310.1a Each attacking creature and each blocking creature will assign combat damage equal to its power.

310.1b An unblocked creature will assign all its combat damage to the defending player.

310.1c A blocked creature will assign combat damage, divided as its controller chooses, to the creatures blocking it. If no creatures are currently blocking it (if, for example, they were destroyed or removed from combat), it will assign no combat damage.

310.1d A blocking creature will assign combat damage, divided as its controller chooses, to the attacking creatures it's blocking. If it isn't currently blocking any creatures (if, for example, they were destroyed or removed from combat), it will assign no combat damage.

310.2. All announcements of combat damage go on the stack as a single entry. Then the active player receives priority to play spells and abilities.

310.3. Assigning combat damage isn't a spell or ability, so it can't be countered.

310.4. When the combat damage resolves, it's dealt as originally assigned. This happens even if the creature dealing damage is no longer in play or has its power changed or if the creature receiving damage has left combat. (Note that the source of the damage is the creature as it currently exists, or as it most recently existed if it is no longer in play.) If a creature that was supposed to receive damage is no longer in play, the damage assigned to it isn't dealt.