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BogImp
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posted August 07, 2001 01:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BogImp   Click Here to Email BogImp     
I heard that when a spell is announced, it is no longer part of your hand. I used to think that Lion's Eye Diamond was worthless, but was told that you could announce a spell, sac the Eye for the mana, and the card wouldn't be discarded and could be played with the mana from the Eye. Does this work?

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posted August 07, 2001 02:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for HanSolo6385     
BogImp: On the first part, that is correct. Once you announce a spell it goes on the stack and therefor is not considered a part of your hand. Lion's Eye Diamond can only be played when you can play an Instant, so after you announce your spell you can cast Lion's Eye Diamond as an Instant, therefore adding mana to your pool can't pay for the spell.

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Raatcharch
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posted August 07, 2001 05:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Raatcharch   Click Here to Email Raatcharch     
My opponent has Natural Emergence out. He attacks with all his lands. I cast boomerang on the Emergence. What happens?

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posted August 07, 2001 06:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Drengar   Click Here to Email Drengar     
pfffff still no 8

think coolio has to come in to get the next one

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posted August 07, 2001 10:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for trax72     
BogImp/HanSolo6385: This is the first time I've heard of Lion's Eye Diamond, and I'm afraid your former thoughts on it were correct BogImp - the card sucks bad. You cannot use it to pay for a spell after you announced that spell because it says you can only use the ability whenever you could use an instant; meaning you CANNOT do this during announcement of a spell.

Raatcharch: The lands stop being creatures and are removed from combat. Ofcourse you'd play the Boomerang before combat damage is assigned, so you wouldn't get any damage.

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posted August 07, 2001 07:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selvaxri   Click Here to Email Selvaxri     
just making sure i'm reading the card right:
I put soul Link on my lone wolf and attack. he blocks with his spiritmonger (no counters), i gain 8 life right? 2 for the damage the lone wolf deals and 6 for the damage the lone wolf is dealt? lmk


trax72
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posted August 08, 2001 07:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for trax72     
Yep, you gain 8 life.


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posted August 08, 2001 11:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for meyouus   Click Here to Email meyouus     
Okay, here is the situation:
My opponent declares his attack phase, I respond by casting ice on his spiritmonger. He responds to the ice by casting fof. We both do not want to add anything else to the stack. The Fof resolves first. He flips over the top 5 cards of his deck, and there is a mystic snake within those cards. He chooses the pile with the snake and then proceeds to counter the ice. If this is legal, I do not understand how the Snake can go back on a stack that both players have already decided to pass playing on. Any help would be appreciated.
thanks!

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Earthmagiks
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posted August 08, 2001 12:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Earthmagiks     
the stack resolves in steps.

attack
ice
Fact or fiction

thats the stack thus far

attack
ice
Fact or fiction - resolves first

gets the Snake in hand

stack looks like this:

attack
ice

you can now add an instant to that stack

so he mystic snakes

attack
ice
mystic snake

now it goes through.

hope that clears it up, mebbe it made no sense....

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posted August 08, 2001 01:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for meyouus   Click Here to Email meyouus     
ok, so everytime my opponent casts any spell, i can do some wild researching and they will theoretically never be able to cast anything? (assuming i never discard the card i searched for)

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posted August 09, 2001 03:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vegeta19   Click Here to Email Vegeta19     
If I play Urza's Rage with kicker against my opponent can also Memory Lapse the Rage to have it go back to the top of my Library?

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posted August 09, 2001 03:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Inzane   Click Here to Email Inzane     
quote:
Originally posted by Vegeta19:
If I play Urza's Rage with kicker against my opponent can also Memory Lapse the Rage to have it go back to the top of my Library?


Memory Lapse
Color: Blue
Type: Instant
Cost: 1U
Sets: HL(C4)/MI(C1)/567(C1)
Text(6th/7th): Counter target spell. Put it on top of its owner's library instead of into that player's graveyard.

* The card does not go to the graveyard before being put on the library. [bethmo 97/10/19]
* If the spell is not countered (because the spell it targets cannot be countered), then it does not go to its owner's library. [D'Angelo 01/04/16]
* This card has a self replacement (see Rule T.10.13). This means that it replaces going to the graveyard before any other effect can replace that event. [Rules Team 01/05/01]
* Note - In Fifth Edition (and before) this card was of type Interrupt.

The rage won't go back on top of the library.


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posted August 13, 2001 12:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyKoL   Click Here to Email MyKoL     
Q:
can you make morphling -8/11 or so?

iff this can and -8 becomes 0 can you pump it back to 5/6??.

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posted August 13, 2001 09:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for killjoy72     
quote:
Originally posted by MyKoL:
Q:
can you make morphling -8/11 or so?

iff this can and -8 becomes 0 can you pump it back to 5/6??.


K.10 - Creature Power and Toughness

K.10.3 - A creature with negative power or toughness is considered to have zero power/toughness for all reasons other than for changing the power/toughness. [D'Angelo 99/05/01] For example, a creature with power of -2 deals zero damage in combat (which is to say, it does not deal damage at all).

So the answer to your first question is yes, you can pump a Morphling to a -8/11. The answer to your second question is no, you cannot pump a Morphling to a 5/6.


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posted August 13, 2001 09:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ricochet   Click Here to Email Ricochet     
for things such as lowland basilisk/hermetic study, and spinal embrace.
Is there a combat phase even if there is no attack declared?
Can you simply skip your combat phase?

please let me know I'm having a prob with it.

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posted August 14, 2001 12:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for killjoy72     
quote:
Originally posted by Ricochet:
for things such as lowland basilisk/hermetic study, and spinal embrace.
Is there a combat phase even if there is no attack declared?
Can you simply skip your combat phase?

please let me know I'm having a prob with it.



Well, you can't exactly "skip" the attack phase itself. You can, however, declare an attack with no attackers. The ruling below should further explain the point.

C.3 - Step 2: Declare Attackers
C.3.1 - At the start of this step, the current player declares any creatures he or she wants to attack with this turn. If no attackers are declared, the game skips the rest of this step, all of steps 3 and 4, and goes directly to the End of Combat step (see Rule C.6). This is called a "null attack". If a legal attack is declared, first place any triggered abilities which triggered on the attack declaration on the stack, then the current player receives priority to play spells and abilities. [CompRules 99/04/23]

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posted August 14, 2001 11:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Greven53   Click Here to Email Greven53     
This has probably been said already, but I don't really want to look back at the previos 17 pages. Anyway, can you counter a spell with Suffocating Blast with no creatures in play? I have heard answers both ways and all seem logical. I don't think you can, but, can you? All answers will be appreciated. Thanx.

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posted August 15, 2001 07:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DragonSoul   Click Here to Email DragonSoul     
alright...

my friend and I are playing our cadaverous bloom decks against eachother, and he has a squandered resource out on the table. He also has a gemstone mine, with a single counter on it. Is he allowed to tap the gemstone mine (now with zero counters on it), and later sacrafice that gemstone mine to the squandered resources in order to add another mana on top of that? he does it all the time, and I just need to know if he's not cheating me. thank you for your time.

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Donater
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posted August 15, 2001 08:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Donater   Click Here to Email Donater     
I played oath and oathed for a creature.
A blessing hit my graveyard but all my creatures wern't in my library anymore but in my graveyard.
Question, did i deck myself or can i still shuffle because of the blessing ability and continue the oathing for a creature.
Please explain so, thankx.


DataMan
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posted August 15, 2001 09:13 AM           
quote:
Originally posted by Raatcharch:
My opponent has Natural Emergence out. He attacks with all his lands. I cast boomerang on the Emergence. What happens?


The lands are no longer creatures, and thus they are removed from combat. Unless the damage from the lands is already on the stack, the lands will do no damage - they will still be tapped though.

I hope that helps,

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DataMan
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posted August 15, 2001 09:17 AM           
quote:
Originally posted by Greven53:
This has probably been said already, but I don't really want to look back at the previos 17 pages. Anyway, can you counter a spell with Suffocating Blast with no creatures in play? I have heard answers both ways and all seem logical. I don't think you can, but, can you? All answers will be appreciated. Thanx.



Here is the current wording of Suffocating Blast..

Suffocating Blast
1UUR
Instant
Counter target spell and Suffocating Blast deals 3 damage to target creature.

Suffocating Blast needs both a spell on the stack and a targetable creature in play for it to be legally cast.

I hope that helps,

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DataMan
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posted August 15, 2001 09:23 AM           
quote:
Originally posted by DragonSoul:
alright...

my friend and I are playing our cadaverous bloom decks against eachother, and he has a squandered resource out on the table. He also has a gemstone mine, with a single counter on it. Is he allowed to tap the gemstone mine (now with zero counters on it), and later sacrafice that gemstone mine to the squandered resources in order to add another mana on top of that? he does it all the time, and I just need to know if he's not cheating me. thank you for your time.

sincerely,


Here is the Oracle wording on Gemstone Mine:

Gemstone Mine
Land
Gemstone Mine comes into play with three mining counters on it.
T, Remove a mining counter from Gemstone Mine: Add one mana of any color to your mana pool. If there are no mining counters on Gemstone Mine, sacrifice it.

Every time the mana ability of the gemstone mine is activated, it checks to see if there are 0 counters on it, and if so forces you to sacrifice gemstone mine. Since this is part of a mana ability, it does not go on the stack. Therefore, your opponent has been playing this all wrong. You cannot sacrifice the gemstone mine to any spell or effect once it has 0 counters.

The confusion here is that usually whenever a spell says "Whenever", it is a triggered effect which goes on the stack. But since this is part of a mana ability it does not use the stack at all.

I hope that helps,


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DataMan
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posted August 15, 2001 09:30 AM           
quote:
Originally posted by Donater:
I played oath and oathed for a creature.
A blessing hit my graveyard but all my creatures wern't in my library anymore but in my graveyard.
Question, did i deck myself or can i still shuffle because of the blessing ability and continue the oathing for a creature.
Please explain so, thankx.

When you use an Oath of Druids with 0 creatures in your graveyard, the Oath of Druids will try to complete itself as much as possible. In this case, you will "mill" your entire library into your graveyard.

When the Gaea's blessing goes to the graveyard, it created a triggered effect that will go on the stack the next time either player gains priority.

Once the whole library has been "milled", then the Gaea's Blessing ability goes on the stack. (Allowing your opponent to respond with a "Target player draws a card" effect which would kill you) When the ability resolves, you will shuffle your graveyard into your library. Then you would stop. You do not continue "milling" your new library. (Unless, of course, you have more than one Oath of Druids in play!)

I hope that helps,


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Donater
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posted August 15, 2001 11:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Donater   Click Here to Email Donater     
Thx Dataman, much appreciated.


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posted August 15, 2001 06:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for HereticFT   Click Here to Email HereticFT     
Ok, 2 questions:

If you have an older version of a card that is tourny legal right now, would that card be tourny legal? Like a tempest Lobotomy..

If I have a Elfhame Sanctuary, and I use the land ablity, could I also use Island Sanctuary's ablity, because I skip my draw step, therefor skip drawing a card?

Thanks!

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