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trax72
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posted December 14, 2001 12:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for trax72     
Q2: If the opponent plays 2 Recoils before passing on priority and you target one with Quash after that, it won't find the other Recoil since it doesn't search for the card on the stack. So this happens: Quash counters Recoil/2, then you can search graveyard, hand, library for all cards with that name - so this includes the countered one. Recoil/1 is still on the stack though and isn't affected, and goes to the graveyard once it resolves.


iiven
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posted December 14, 2001 12:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iiven   Click Here to Email iiven     
ok! nother question that has arrisen from a combo deck my brother thought up...

can i play instants/activated abilities during my draw phase. such as
tap a metal worker for mana,
cast stroke of genius


trax72
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posted December 14, 2001 03:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for trax72     
Yes, sure you can. The regular draw goes on the stack after any triggered abilities that trigger at beginning of draw step, then you can play spells or abilities - also after the draw resolves.


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posted December 14, 2001 05:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lod-aut   Click Here to Email lod-aut     
Hi folks

I have 3 rulings questions which I am unsure about

1) Can I use 4 mana to make a Morphling 0/7 (-1/7) and then use 2 additional mana to make him 2/5 or is the negative power taken over and thus he is 1/5 ?

2) There was a discussion about that recently at a tournament: Nether Spirit and Squee are in the graveyard. IMHO, at the beginning of upkeep you only get the Squee and the Nether Spirit stays in the graveyard. RIght ?

3) Seal of Cleansing is in play and opponent casts Recurring Nightmare - Player 1 cannot sacrifice to destroy the Nightmare - Right ?

Thanks in advance

[Edited 1 times, lastly by lod-aut on December 16, 2001]


trax72
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posted December 14, 2001 07:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for trax72     
1) He'll be 1/5, in MTG negative numbers are counted as 0 except when adding or substracting - such as in this case.

2) Yes that's correct, since Nether Spirit's condition isn't true at the time the beginning of upkeep triggers are put on the stack. So Nether Spirit's ability doesn't trigger at all.

3) This is how the timing works: opponent plays Recurring Nightmare, when it resolves and comes into play the opponent gets priority again and can then use the ability without giving you a chance to destroy it with the Seal first. And since the returning is part of the activation cost you can't destroy it in response to the activation either.

Selvaxri
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posted December 14, 2001 10:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selvaxri   Click Here to Email Selvaxri     
what would happen if i Mirari'ed my Time Stretch? would i get four turns or just the two?


trax72
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posted December 14, 2001 11:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for trax72     
It accumulates so you get 4 extra turns. Good luck pulling it off though


-Vhati-il-dal-
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posted December 15, 2001 06:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for -Vhati-il-dal-   Click Here to Email -Vhati-il-dal-     
Can a Bomb Squad be used during my upkeep to put 2 counters on a creature, assuming that it has no counters before my upkeep? I think it can, because Bomb Squad says "put a counter on each creature with a counter on it" instead of "if any creatures have counters on them...." I think the first ability goes on the stack even when no creatures have counters, because there is no "if" condition, but I'm not sure.


trax72
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posted December 15, 2001 11:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for trax72     
Yep you're right, and you already gave the explanation why...


Donater
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posted December 17, 2001 08:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Donater   Click Here to Email Donater     
Hi,

I've got a question about cards like winter orb, static orb perhaps stasis.
If at any moment, if one of these cards are in play, they become tapped does their ability still work?
For instance, if i would use ice on winter orb can i untap all my land or still just one.
Some of the cards have errata i think others not, i'm not sure anymore.
Please help, thx.


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posted December 17, 2001 01:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for da-odd-templar   Click Here to Email da-odd-templar     
quote:
Originally posted by Donater:
Hi,

I've got a question about cards like winter orb, static orb perhaps stasis.
If at any moment, if one of these cards are in play, they become tapped does their ability still work?
For instance, if i would use ice on winter orb can i untap all my land or still just one.
Some of the cards have errata i think others not, i'm not sure anymore.
Please help, thx.


When Winter Orb, Static Orb and Sands of Time (sure on other two, but not Sands) are tapped, their abilities do not work. So yes, if you tapped it down with Ice, then on your turn you are free to untap everything and smash royal face. And about stasis...I'll leave that one to the professionals (ie: people who want to check to make sure)

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posted December 18, 2001 01:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for trax72     
Nope, doesn't work for Stasis (has no errata, which was unlikely anyway since it's not an artifact but an enchantment)


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posted December 19, 2001 01:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for King Masticore   Click Here to Email King Masticore     
Just popped into my mind: Can you use Mirari to fork the copy created by Mirari? For example: Can you fork Shock two times with 6 mana so you could do 6 damage?

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iiven
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posted December 19, 2001 02:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for iiven   Click Here to Email iiven     
question about Still life / enchantments in general

can an enchantment be tapped?

there was an argument about this because still life becomes a creature, attacks, taps.
when it becomes an enchantment does it immediatly untap? or can enchantments be tapped


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posted December 19, 2001 02:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KIP_NZ   Click Here to Email KIP_NZ     
quote:
Originally posted by King Masticore:
Just popped into my mind: Can you use Mirari to fork the copy created by Mirari? For example: Can you fork Shock two times with 6 mana so you could do 6 damage?


Here is the ruling on this card

Color=Artifact Type=Legendary Artifact Cost=5 OD(R)
Text(OD): Whenever you play an instant or sorcery spell, you may pay {3}. If you do, put a copy of that spell onto the stack. You may choose new targets for the copy.

If the spell is countered before the triggered ability resolves, then the ability will make a copy of how the spell looked right before it was countered. [DeLaney 2001/10/13] See Rule K.6.7.
You choose whether or not to pay when the trigger resolves. [DeLaney 2001/10/13]
It triggers once per spell, so you can't get multiple copies of a spell using this card. And since this card is Legendary, you can't have more than one in play. [DeLaney 2001/10/13]
Everything about the original spell is copied, including any decisions made on announcement, such as whether Kicker or Buyback were paid. Effects on the spell, such as Sleight of Mind or Flashback, are not copied. [DeLaney 2001/10/13]
If the copied spell requires a target and there are no legal targets, then the copy has the same target (which should be illegal) as the original. [Jordan 2001/10/14]
The copy is not "played" so it will not trigger anything that triggers on a spell being played. [Odyssey FAQ 2001/10/04]
Note - Also see Copy Cards, Rule E.4.
Note - Also see Legendary Permanents, Rule K.17.

quote:
Originally posted by iiven:
question about Still life / enchantments in general

can an enchantment be tapped?

there was an argument about this because still life becomes a creature, attacks, taps.
when it becomes an enchantment does it immediatly untap? or can enchantments be tapped


Yes you can tap an Enchantment, it does not have alot of point as an Enchanatment never gets "turned off" by being Tapped.
If a Creature that is tapped becomes tapped then it remains tapped intill the your next untap step.


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Jacob S
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posted December 19, 2001 06:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jacob S   Click Here to Email Jacob S     
I'm just curious as to what happens to suffocating blast in a few situations...

A) Target tinder wall with burn portion, opponent sacs wall.
B) Opponent shelters creatured targetted with burn.


trax72
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posted December 20, 2001 04:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for trax72     
The burn portion fails, but the counter portion still works.


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posted December 20, 2001 08:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for -Vhati-il-dal-   Click Here to Email -Vhati-il-dal-     
If it legal to split Liquid Fire 5/0, five going to the player, and 0 to the creature? I tried to do this once, and the local judge said that the spell has no legal target unless you deal at least 1 damage to the creature. Is this correct?


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posted December 20, 2001 11:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KIP_NZ   Click Here to Email KIP_NZ     
quote:
Originally posted by -Vhati-il-dal-:
If it legal to split Liquid Fire 5/0, five going to the player, and 0 to the creature? I tried to do this once, and the local judge said that the spell has no legal target unless you deal at least 1 damage to the creature. Is this correct?

Here is the excate ruling on this card

Liquid Fire
Color=Red Type=Sorcery Cost=4RR OD(U)
Text(OD): ~this~ deals 5 damage divided as you choose between target creature and the creature's controller.

You choose how to divide the damage at resolution. You can assign all 5 damage to either the creature or the player, or you can divide it as you choose. [Jordan 2001/09/30]
Lithatog


So the Judge was wrong sorry

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posted December 22, 2001 07:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lord Atog   Click Here to Email Lord Atog     
When you enchant an Idol, when it is no longer a creature, does the enchantment stay on it? PM the answer to me please.

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trax72
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posted December 23, 2001 08:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for trax72     
If it's an enchant creature, then it will "fall off" at the end of the turn since it's no longer a legal enchantee.


Donater
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posted December 23, 2001 08:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Donater   Click Here to Email Donater     
Got a question about some of my cards.
It has a date on it 1993-1998 and looks just like the other cards from 4th or 5th etc.
Can i use these cards in tournaments? Probably yes but just to make sure i'm asking here. I believe the cards come from a beatdown box or something like that.
Thx


Selvaxri
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posted December 23, 2001 11:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selvaxri   Click Here to Email Selvaxri     
donater: those cards are anthologies. and i think some are tournament legal (not sure which ones, especially the misprinted ones)

my question: my friend and i were talking about Mirari and Fork. i brought up the question "I cast a spell and fork it (using the fork) then i cast another fork, targetting the first fork, then i mirari the fork that is forking the fork."
in other words: I'm casting spell 'x' and forking it with Fork A, then i fork Fork A with Fork B, the i Mirari Fork B... how many copies of Spell X will i get?


iiven
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posted December 23, 2001 11:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iiven   Click Here to Email iiven     
quote:
Originally posted by Selvaxri:
donater: those cards are anthologies. and i think some are tournament legal (not sure which ones, especially the misprinted ones)

my question: my friend and i were talking about Mirari and Fork. i brought up the question "I cast a spell and fork it (using the fork) then i cast another fork, targetting the first fork, then i mirari the fork that is forking the fork."
in other words: I'm casting spell 'x' and forking it with Fork A, then i fork Fork A with Fork B, the i Mirari Fork B... how many copies of Spell X will i get?


the long asked question of what if i fork the fork that forked the fork. me and my friend were talking about this not so long ago. at first glance you would think it doubles each time, but it doesnt. you will end up with only 4 spell X

one is the original.
one is fork a
one is fork b (that forked fork a, so its acutally a clone of a, which is a clone of X)
and one is the mirari (clone of b, which is clone of a, which is clone of X)

therefor you get 4



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posted December 23, 2001 09:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Shadoa   Click Here to Email Shadoa     
does pro. from a color extend to the graveyard or your library or is it an "in play" type of thing? Thanks in advance...


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