posted October 22, 2001 02:23 PM            

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Originally posted by ServantOfGlaaki:
Hi there, can someone answer the following:

I have a Nefarious Lich, and a Confessor in play. I move into my discard phase with 8 cards in my hand, so I have to discard one. I do this, and use the confessor, gaining a life which the Lich turns into a card draw. I now have 8 cards in hand again. Do I have to discard again, or can I end my discard phase with 8 cards in hand?

Thanks for any help - much appreciated

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P.13.1 - During this step the following actions are taken in order:
1) If the current player's hand contains more cards than their maximum
hand size (normally 7), they discard enough cards to reduce their hand
size to that number. This action does not go on the stack.
2) Simultaneously remove all damage from permanents, and all "until end of
turn" and "this turn" effects end. This action does not go on the stack.
3) If the conditions for any state-based effect (see Rule T.11) exist, or
if any abilities have triggered, the active player receives priority to
play spells or abilities after resolving those state-based effects and
putting those triggered abilities on the stack. Once the stack is empty,
instead of proceeding to the next turn, another Cleanup step begins. If
no state-based effects need to be applied and no triggers need to be
played, the step ends. [D'Angelo 1999/05/01]

...should speak for itself...

posted October 23, 2001 09:46 AM            

If I use the doppleganger's ability to bring into play an Iridescent Angel can I leave the angel in play and let the doppleganger be removed from the game?

posted October 31, 2001 09:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Selvaxri:
I have Death Pits of Rath and Caltrops out. My opponent attacks with a pro-black creature. does the creature die or stay alive?

i have Death Pits and Caltrops out, my opponent attacks. we both know his creatures will die, but do they still deal combat damage?

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I am going to answer this as 2 questions.
Here is the most recent card text.

Death Pits of Rath:
Info: Color=Black Type=Enchantment Cost=3BB TE(R)
Text(TE+errata): Whenever a creature is dealt damage, destroy it. It can't
be regenerated. [Oracle 1999/05/01]

Caltrops:
Info: Color=Artifact Type=Artifact Cost=3 UD(U)/7(U)
Text(UD/7th): Whenever a creature attacks, ~this~ deals 1 damage to it.

1. Yes it still dies because the Death Pits of Rath is a non targeting effect and it has had 1 point of damage dealt to it.

2. No they do not deal combat damage because as soon as they are decleared as attackers the Caltrops triggers and deals one point of damage to them. As soon as one point of damage get delt to a creature the Death pits of Rath triggers and destroy's them.

Adrian
DCI lvl 2

posted November 21, 2001 10:26 AM            

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Originally posted by Master of Tolaria:
...your friends are retards.

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dude, stupidity like that isn't welcomed here. So watch your language.

here's another question (hopefully not to be answered by the mor... er 'Master' of Tolaria): I have Dual Nature in play (love this card), i cast Phyrexian Dreadnought with no creatures in play. Can i sacrifice the clone to satisfy the original's 'Come into play' affect?

posted November 22, 2001 01:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Newbie:
If i sac a mindsliccer for the Diabolic Intent additional cost will i get the cards or the card will go into the graveyard

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I'm pretty sure the Mindslicer's ability happens 1st. All the players discard their hands and then you search your library for a card. Sorry if I'm not "technical".

posted November 25, 2001 05:13 PM            

If ~this~ would come into play, sacrifice any number of creatures with total power 12 or greater instead. If you do, put ~this~ into play. If you don't, put it into its owner's graveyard. [Oracle 2000/02/01]

So no, you can't do that. It doesn't come into play at all if you didn't sacrifice creatures.

Static effects are applied before triggers are checked, so you would draw a card from Kavu Lair.

posted November 27, 2001 03:52 AM            

Can ground seal keep opponents from using threshold and flashback?

Ground Seal states the following :

When ground seal comes into play draw a card.

Cards in graveyards can't be the targets of spells or abilities.

Aren't threshold and flashback abilities???

LMK, asap.

posted November 27, 2001 12:45 PM            

Morphling69 - You do have an option to Disenchant the Shapeshifter before it deals damage.

In order to properly combat that deck you really need a solid understanding of priority and stack rules (there's a very thorough explanation earlier in this post).

The most important thing to remember is the distinction between a cost and an effect. You can't respond to him discarding Phyrexian Dreadnought, because it is a cost. Shapeshifter becomes a Dreadnought faster than instantly. Hence you could not respond by killing the 0/1 Shapeshifter with a Lightning Bolt or Terror. It's possible that I'm misinterpreting your question: If he used the Shapeshifter's own ability to discard Dreadnought then you would be able to respond to the ability before a card was discarded. None of that is relevant to the specific question of Disenchant though.

You also get a chance to respond before Survival's ability resolves, and you probably want to cast your Disenchant in this window so he can't find a Morphling or Zephid to fizzle your spell. Even if you choose not to do that, combat damage doesn't go on the stack until both players pass priority with an empty stack. That means you get a chance to respond to all his funny business before damage happens.

posted November 27, 2001 04:35 PM            

Next
If I have 2 Oaths, and my crits are all in my graveyard. Assumine I can and indeed will Oath and my opponent has more crits than I do, can I Oath twice? ( I have blessings...)

NExt
My opponent has 2 Crits I Have 2 oaths and none, can I oath twice and fetch a crit both times.

Next,
What is the proper way to announce the Echo, Crater Hellion Oath thingy

Next
If I have a Mask in play, does that stop Oath?

Will FoF trigger Pedantic Learning?

If I trigger Pedantic Learning before I hit a blessing during Oath, and I mill everything what happens? What if I use Larning after Blessing?

I have GP soon, so I'd like to know all of this. Thanks

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ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS WANT MORE MORPHLINGS

Number of People Schooled By Me Morphligns in Magic: 48

" You better get ready to bust out your birth certificate, cause I'm about to show you who your real daddy is."

posted November 27, 2001 06:03 PM            

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Originally posted by morphling69:
ok what happenned was he announced his attack with a 0/1 shapeshifter i said i would take the dmg and then he responded by discarding dreadnought could i disenchant itafter he discards the dreadnoght and take no dmg? how about this he attacks with 0/1 shapeshifter i say i'll take the dmg he responds by discarding dreadnought do i take 12 or 0? ALSO please explain sylvan library/abundance combo please?thx jesse

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Please use some punctuation, you're hurting my eyes

As I explained above, there is no way he can make you take damage without having a chance to respond. You're comment "I'll take it" is an informality that bypasses some relevant parts of the rules. When that matters (like against this deck) you should be a bit more formal. Instead of saying "I'll take it," say "I'm not blocking. Can we assign damage?" He can either discard the Dreadnought, giving you a chance to Disenchant, or agree to assign damage. If damage is assigned, it's too late for either of you to change the amount of damage that will be dealt.

Sorry I missed the Abundance question earlier. Sylvan Library reads:

At the beginning of your draw step, you may draw two cards. If you do, choose two cards in your hand drawn this turn. For each of those cards, pay four life or put that card on top of your library.

Abundance says:

Whenever you would draw a card, you may instead choose land or non-land...

The important thing is the word "instead." When you choose to use Abundance's effect, you don't draw a card. If you use Abundance to replace your normal draw, as well as both Sylvan Library draws, the second part of Sylvan's effect that asks you to choose two cards will find that you haven't drawn any cards this turn. Since there were no cards to choose, you don't have to make the choice to pay life or put them back - you just keep three cards that were put into your hand by Abundance.

posted November 27, 2001 06:16 PM            

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If he cores my Feeder, and I in response StP the COre does the feeder die?

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Originally posted by StriderHry:
If I have 2 Oaths, and my crits are all in my graveyard. Can I Oath twice?

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Originally posted by StriderHry:
My opponent has 2 Crits I Have 2 oaths and none, can I oath twice and fetch a crit both times.

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Originally posted by StriderHry:
What is the proper way to announce the Echo, Crater Hellion Oath thingy?

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However if he has two creatures and you have the Hellion and two Oaths, you should announce the stack Oath-Oath-Echo, or Oath-Echo-Oath, so that the Hellion dies in time for the second Oath to resolve and grab a second creature.

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Originally posted by StriderHry:
If I have a Mask in play, does that stop Oath?

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Originally posted by StriderHry:
Will FoF trigger Pedantic Learning?

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Originally posted by StriderHry:
If I trigger Pedantic Learning before I hit a blessing during Oath, and I mill everything what happens? What if I use Learning after Blessing?

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posted November 30, 2001 01:40 AM            

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Originally posted by MyKoL:
I have a Q:
I have a verdant force out: DO i always put a creature into play, or only if i want to.

I think that you always put a 1/1 token into play.

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From Cystal keep
Color=Green Type=Creature - Elemental Cost=5GGG TE(R)
Text(TE+errata): 7/7. ; At the beginning of each player's upkeep, put a 1/1 green Saproling creature token into play under your control. [Oracle 1999/05/01]

Verdant Force's controller gets the tokens. [D'Angelo 1999/06/01] That is the controller at the beginning of upkeep. [DeLaney 1999/06/13]
Note - Also see Token Creatures, Rule K.25.
Verdant Succession

So you get it every turn because there is not may in there.

Cheers
A
drian
DCI Level 2

posted December 01, 2001 12:33 AM            

You could block, put damage on the stack (Ball Lightning must assign at least two points to the Feeder, and 4 to you), then gain the four life. The result is that you gain four life and then take four damage, coming out even. The judge is correct in saying that you take damage, but I think this result is what you meant?

posted December 01, 2001 08:22 AM            

Thanks.

posted December 02, 2001 08:26 PM            

You play Wrath of God. You receive priority. You need to take whatever actions you want to at this time (like sacrificing a creature to generate a different effect, for example). You receive priority each time you play a spell or ability. When you pass, your opponent has priority to play spells or abilities. If he also passes then Wrath resolves. ONLY if he takes an action before passing do you receive priority against before Wrath resolves.

Is that clear enough?