posted January 03, 2002 08:08 PM            

now on to more pressing matters... my question

posted January 03, 2002 08:16 PM            

"When," "whenever" and "at" come before trigger conditions, and the abilities that follow use the stack.

Replacement effects use the wording "if... instead" to indicate that they do not use the stack.

Compare the wording of Gaea's Blessing with Serra Avatar or Legacy Weapon to see the difference in wording.

posted January 03, 2002 10:30 PM         

ok lets say i cast island sanctuary when a necropotence was in play under my control. does the effect of the sanctuary still happen?

Color: White
Type: Enchantment
Cost: 1W
Sets: ABUR45(R)
Text(5th+errata): If you would draw a card during your draw step, instead you may skip that draw. If you do, until the beginning of your next turn, only creatures with flying or islandwalk may attack you. [Oracle 2000/10/24]

posted January 04, 2002 09:43 AM            

A counterwar ensued over a Spiritmonger like this:

Opponent A - "Cast Monger"
Opponent B - "Counterspell"
"" A - "Counterspell"
"" B - "Undermine"
"" A - "Divert Undermine to Divert...Undermine fizzles"

Now, I remember when Misdirection was out and you could Misdirect a counter to Misdirect to try to save the spell you wanted to play, but the Undermine card says "Counter target spell. It's controller loses 3 life." Divert is worded "Change the target of a spell that targets one target unless its controller pays 2."

The way I rule it, the spell breaks down that the Monger hits the board, the Undermine now targets the Divert, but player A takes 3 for it from the Undermine. The "judge" (he really don't know his stuff - but pretends he does) ruled it that the Undermine had no legal target after Divert resolves. I told him that it targets Divert!!, but he wouldn't hear it (probably because he knows I'm right).

In any case, can someone help me out on this? I just want to make sure that what I was thinking is right, and Undermine doesn't fizzle.

Thanks
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P.S. If you can give a link to your reasoning, that would be VERY appreciated.

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posted January 04, 2002 12:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Lord of the Goats:
flam flawless- the undermine would fizzle. it does target the divert, but the divert will reslove first... thus when undermine trys to resolve, it's target is no longer there.

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That's the same reason he said...and I said. Which doesn't explain why it would "fizzle". I see it as undermine now targets Divert, which gets countered by Undermine. What am I missing here? Please post links

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posted January 04, 2002 01:28 PM            

Oh, BTW, the "judge" is some guy I know that even isn't certified. Alot of times, you can't tell if he actually knows what he's talking about or if he's pulling rulings out of thin air.

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posted January 04, 2002 01:51 PM            

i have nef lich in play. i just executed the lich/confessor/infestation combo,
i run 4 leg weapons, so i now have effectively as many 2/2's as i want.

i sacrifice 50 of them to phyrexian altar. wallah i have 50 mana. for arguments sake i have no cards in my library, 4 leg weapons in my hand, and a death grasp

i use that 50 mana to deathgrasp my opponent for 48

he takes 48 damage, i gain 48 life (draw 48)

posted January 04, 2002 04:00 PM            

Nefarious Lich says "If you would be dealt damage, remove that many cards in your graveyard from the game instead. If you can't, you lose the game. ; If you would gain life, draw that many cards instead. ; When ~this~ leaves play, you lose the game."

We all know what Death Grasp does. Anyway, life gain/loss both happen during the resolution of the spell, and we don't check state based effects until a player gets priority. So, because the wording on the Lich is a replacement ability instead of a triggered ability, the card drawing for grasp/lich interaction doesn't go on the stack but happens during the resolution of the grasp just in place of the life gain. Thus when sbe are checked, we are both losers. Is my reasoning sound?

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posted January 04, 2002 08:43 PM         

You have the following cards in play:
goblin bomb
opalescense
bomb squad

you goblin bomb is now a 2/2 creature because of opalescence but is still an enchantment acourding to opal escense. So could you tap bomb squad to put a fuse counter on goblin bomb, because its a 2/2. or does the fact that it is still an enchant ment not allow it to be targeted by bomb squad.

And if you can put counters on to the goblin bomb via bomb squad, could you still use those counters to activete goblin bombs abilitiy. Pleaselet me know. thanks coolio.

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posted January 05, 2002 10:39 AM         

AvatarMan01: You can only play one side: K.24.2 - When you play a split card, you announce which side of the card
you are playing before taking any other actions as part of the
announcement. [Invasion FAQ 2000/10/03]

eminem67: Yes, looks like that would work; you *can* target the Goblin Bomb with Bomb Squad, and they both talk about fuse counters. It would be a little tricky because of the triggered effects, but you should be able to pull it off.

posted January 05, 2002 04:16 PM         

quote:

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Originally posted by iiven:
theres always been controversey around here about enchantments when it comes to pro color

if i have a mother of runes out, and put cho mano's blessing for green on it. then tap the mother to give herself white (later, not in response) does the enchantment die?

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First off, the 4th "benefit" of protection is the card cannot be enchanted by any enchantments of the stated color.

A basic rule from the ability of "Protection":

A.25.3 - Not being enchantable by such enchantments means that the appropriate local enchantment (Enchant Creature) cards are put into the graveyard if they are ever on the creature. So giving a card protection will put any existing local enchantments of that color into the graveyard. This is a state-based effect.

So yes, the enchantment dies.

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posted January 06, 2002 08:35 AM         

quote:

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Originally posted by Roxxy:
I have a question here. If I have a Mystic Snake in play. And I cast a fact or fiction during my opponents discard fase. He responds to this casting a clone on my Mystic Snake to counter the spell, is this legal?

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posted January 06, 2002 04:20 PM            

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