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HanSolo6385
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posted January 06, 2002 04:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for HanSolo6385     
quote:
Originally posted by iiven:
this is my thought on it. i may be off but i think this is right...

yes it would. you play entomb, search your library for the blessing. entomb has resolved, going into the graveyard below the blessing. blessing then goes in, ability triggers, and all is shuffled.


Your right. Blessing's abiity isn't treated as an instantaneous ability, it's a triggered affect. It also doesn't matter which order the cards hit the graveyard, after Entomb resolves then you gain priority to shuffle your graveyard with Blessing's ability. Here is the exact text:

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If Gaea's Blessing is moved into the graveyard by an effect, it is dealt with as a triggered ability. This means you wait for the next appropriate time before shuffling your graveyard into your library. For Millstone, it means you put both cards in at once, so it does not matter whether the Gaea's Blessing was the first or second card.

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posted January 06, 2002 04:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for HanSolo6385     
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Originally posted by Rocket's Zapdos:
what happens if I use Unnatural Selection change a Crosis into a wolfand then I play another crosis would they both be into play forever as long as I pay 1

Yes.

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posted January 06, 2002 05:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for da-odd-templar   Click Here to Email da-odd-templar     
quote:
Originally posted by Rocket's Zapdos:
what happens if I use Unnatural Selection change a Crosis into a wolfand then I play another crosis would they both be into play forever as long as I pay 1

They would both be able to stay in play for that one turn. At end of turn, all damage is removed from creatures and all end of turn effects end. So that means, when the end of turn comes around, the Selection's effect will wear off, and the Crosis that you changed from a Legend into something else dies.

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K.17.2 - Only one legendary permanent of a given name can be in play at a time. If a legendary permanent enters play (or a permanent becomes legendary) when another legendary permanent of that name is already in play, the one that just entered play or that just became legendary is put into its owner's graveyard. If more than one of the same name enters play or become legendary at the same time, then all of them are put into their owner's graveyards. This is done as a state-based effect (see Rule T.11). [CompRules 1999/04/23] [D'Angelo 2001/06/22]


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posted January 06, 2002 05:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for da-odd-templar   Click Here to Email da-odd-templar     
quote:
Originally posted by Imagenyuss:
I play a conspiracy and I name Legendary Wall as my creature type... then I donate it to my opponent. Can my opponent's creatures attack?

You can only name one word with Conspiracy. But yes, if you name Wall and then Donate it, your opponent's creatures can't attack due to the fact that in Magic, Walls cannot attack.
Also, even if you did have a way of choosing Legendary Wall, your opponent will still be allowed to have two different creatures out. The Legend rule only kills creatures that have the same name, not the same creature type. Just fyi.

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posted January 06, 2002 05:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for -Vhati-il-dal-   Click Here to Email -Vhati-il-dal-     
Does paying life count as loss of life, in terms of triggering Transcendence?


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posted January 06, 2002 05:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Arch-Zealot   Click Here to Email Arch-Zealot     
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Does paying life count as loss of life, in terms of triggering Transcendence?

Yes.

iiven
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posted January 06, 2002 09:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for iiven   Click Here to Email iiven     
is flashback considered playing the spell in every instance? will arcane lab limit you from flashbacking after playing a spell?


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posted January 06, 2002 09:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for WhoWouldUseThat   Click Here to Email WhoWouldUseThat     
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Originally posted by iiven:
is flashback considered playing the spell in every instance? will arcane lab limit you from flashbacking after playing a spell?

Comp Rules say "502.22a Flashback is a static ability of some instant and sorcery cards that functions while the card is in a player's graveyard. The phrase "Flashback [cost]" means "You may play this card from your graveyard by paying [cost] rather than paying its mana cost. If you do, remove this card from the game instead of putting it anywhere else any time it would leave the stack." Playing a spell using its flashback ability follows the rules for paying alternative costs in rules 409.1b and 409.1f."

The phrase "...play this card..." and the links to alternate casting costs for spells, make it look like Flashed-back spells would indeed count towards Arcane Lab or other such limitations.

While this is bad for Adgenda, Lab and such, it might be fun and interesting with Recycle.

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posted January 08, 2002 01:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cyrex   Click Here to Email cyrex     
can u use a speel like boomerang on a token creature so that it dieds because u cannot return a token back to ur hand or does the spell fizzle?


iiven
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posted January 08, 2002 02:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for iiven   Click Here to Email iiven     
cyrex - yes, if you bounce a token it is removed from the game


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posted January 08, 2002 02:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SouL_SteaLeR   Click Here to Email SouL_SteaLeR     
Dealing with Patron Wizard:
Can I tap 2 wizards to force the opposing player to have to pay 2 mana to let 1 spell go thourgh? (Can I patron Wizard the same spell twice?)


iiven
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posted January 08, 2002 02:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for iiven   Click Here to Email iiven     
yes, you can tap any number of wizards to target the same spell. its not actually unless he pays 2 though. its unless he pays 1 twice. best way to do it is make him pay 1. when he does, make him pay another. that way he wastes teh most mana.


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posted January 09, 2002 02:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SouL_SteaLeR   Click Here to Email SouL_SteaLeR     
Hey another question...In regards to Divert

I cast a Lightning bolt (Any Spell), then my opponent cats counterspell on it. Can I then Divert the counterspell and choose Divert as the new target?? If so what happens when this occurs??
I desperately need this ruling!!


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posted January 09, 2002 03:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for iiven   Click Here to Email iiven     
yes, while you can not divert the counterspell back to itself (a spell can not target itself) you can divert the count to the divert. this is very efficient if you divert absorb or undermine, because the spell fizzles, and the life gain/loss fizzles as well


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posted January 09, 2002 04:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for revenger   Click Here to Email revenger     
My opponent pays 3 mana on a Helm of Obedience-

the second cards is a creature and he says I have to give him the creature-

I say I have to give tha creature only if the last card is a creature. He says no. Whenever a creautre appears- I say only if that last cards turned over is a creatuyre does he get it.

Your thoughts....

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posted January 09, 2002 04:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Munchies   Click Here to Email Munchies     
Ive played with the wonderful Helm, and I'm pretty sure it reads something to the effect of "whenever a creature comes up" or something like that....in other words, it doesnt have to be the last one. Any creature in between.

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posted January 09, 2002 05:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rocket's Zapdos   Click Here to Email Rocket's Zapdos     
finkel is considered what coloured permanent? Black? Blue? Black & Blue? what happens when I have an Ana Sanctuary out


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posted January 09, 2002 05:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lord of the Goats   Click Here to Email Lord of the Goats     
Rocket's Zapdos, it is both colors, so it will trigger the sanctuary

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posted January 09, 2002 07:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for gzeiger   Click Here to Email gzeiger     
Munchies is almost right, Revenger. If you read Helm of Obedience carefully, you will find that it says to reveal the top card of your library until you reveal a creature, OR until you reveal X cards. As soon as a creature card is revealed you stop revealing cards and he puts that creature into play.

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posted January 10, 2002 07:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Babykid123   Click Here to Email Babykid123     
revenger, you are right!!listen everybody, Helm of Obedience says:

x,tap:Put the top card of target opponent's library into his/her graveyard.cContinue doing this until you have put X cards or a creature card into that graveyar,whichever occurs first.If the last card put into the graveyard is a creature card,bury Helm of Obedience and put that creature into play under your control as thought it were just cast.X cannot be 0

explaination:
that means, you put the X cards from the library into the graveyard until X or a creature card is reveal, then you stop. but if the last card reveal is a creature card,then helm is bury and the creature comes under control.

read the text several time if you still don't understand.

hope this helps.

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posted January 10, 2002 07:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for D'Shay   Click Here to Email D'Shay     
if standstill is in play and player B casts a spell...can player A draw the 3 cards and counterspell the card that player B is casting???

Player A can correct?

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posted January 10, 2002 07:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MrMonkey   Click Here to Email MrMonkey     
Ok in an argument with a friend and one simple question involving Royal Assassin and Arena.

Say my oponent has an arena, assassin and another creature in play and he goes to arena one of my creatures. Can he arena then before my creature does damage to his can he destroy it with the Assassin?

Remember his assassin is not being arena'd his other creature is.

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posted January 10, 2002 10:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lord of the Goats   Click Here to Email Lord of the Goats     
i have a question. is there a difference between life loss and life payment? i ask because if they are the same, i'm sure there can be some pretty sick interactions with necro/bargain and trancendence. if not, life payment could be used to keep your life below 20.

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posted January 10, 2002 03:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for iiven   Click Here to Email iiven     
quote:
Originally posted by D'Shay:
if standstill is in play and player B casts a spell...can player A draw the 3 cards and counterspell the card that player B is casting???

Player A can correct?


yep, not only can you counter it (make sure to put the card drawing on the stack, AND let it resolve) but you can counter it with what you draw. :]

i dont know the exact wording on arena, but isnt it both creatures deal damage to each other? if this is the case its simultanious and no, you cant assassin it.

life payment counts as life loss last i asked...

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How does Necropentence work? err when do you getthe cards??


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