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Topic: Need a Ruling?.. Come on in... part 8, the quest for mo answers
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gzeiger
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posted December 04, 2001 05:48 PM
 
This needs an up. There are rules questions popping up like giant Spam trees all over the board 
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Euthyphro
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posted December 04, 2001 07:36 PM
Ruling question: I have an Ophidian in play, my opponent casts Swords to Plowshares targetting it, I cast Ertai's Meddling for 1. He then kills my Ophidian with some other spell, Swords to Plowshares is still waiting to resolve until next turn. I cast another Ophidian, when Swords resolves, does it kill the new Ophidian?
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da-odd-templar
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posted December 05, 2001 03:06 AM
Hey, I am like 99% sure I am right on this one, but I need an official judge to back me up on this one. At Friday Night Magic, after hours, me and some friends were discussing the merits of Meddling Mage. Eventually I commented on how sweet it is to play mage, they don't have any effects (but they have like a rage as the only thing in their hand, hoping you won't name it) and you name it, and they get angry  Anyway, he then interjected, saying that you have to name the card for the mage as soon as you put it on the stack, saying that as soon as it goes on the stack, it's started to enter play. I KNOW this is wrong. I mean come on, if it's countered, how could it have started to enter play already? Besides, the way he understands it, mage sucks balls because they can rage you in response to you name rage :\ I say that you name the card as the mage is "on the way down" ie: after it resolves, before it hits play, I remember reading how they didn't want to word it as a cip ability because naming shock and having your mage shocked in response is silly. I just need "official" proof, that's all. Thanks. __________________
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trax72
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posted December 05, 2001 10:14 AM
Oh wow I get to answer some rulings question! (it's been a while  )Euthyphro: No, it's a new Ophidian which has nothing to do with the other one. So when the StP is put on the stack later, it's countered on resolution. da-odd-templar: I think this ruling says it all: * You name a card during the resolution of this spell, at the same time it is being put into play. Once you name the card, there is no chance for any player to respond to this choice before the "can't be played" effect takes hold. [Planeshift FAQ 2001/01/26]
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Tha Gunslinga
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posted December 05, 2001 10:19 AM
OK, let's say my opponent taps 5 lands for 5 white mana. She's about to Wrath. But before she plays the Wrath, I Orim's Chant. Does she take 5 mana burn, or can she somehow use it with the Wrath? I've heard some stuff about "priority," and the Chant seems a bit too good like this.__________________
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Lord of the Goats
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posted December 05, 2001 11:46 AM
no, you must recieve priority before you can chant him. the next time you would is after he casts the wrath but before it resolves.
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gzeiger
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posted December 05, 2001 03:40 PM
Da-Odd: There are three ways that cards are worded to differentiate when their effects happen. Lining them up together should clear up any confusion.Fork: "as you play..." means that you make the choice when you put it on the stack. Meddling Mage: "as this comes into play..." means the spell has resolved and is no longer on the stack, but the creature is not yet in play. This ability does not use the stack and may not be responded to. Flametongue Kavu: "when this comes into play..." is a triggered ability that goes on the stack only after the Kavu has resolved AND come into play. Players get to respond to this ability while it's on the stack.
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coreycorey2000
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posted December 06, 2001 02:34 PM
Hello
I have 2 questions about the same card.
My friend has been using Broken Fall. Costs 2G (enchantment) return it to your hand to regenerate target creature.He is also using spore frogs in the same deck can he return it to his hand after sacrificing a spore frog to regenerate him? Also can he use it to regenerate creatures with Fading? He is thinking about using it with Ancient Hydra. 1 Remove a counter to deal 1 damage to target creature or player.
So if he removes all the counters and returns Broken Fall to his hand can he regenerate the Ancient Hydra? Does it come out with 5 counters like normal? Help would be greatly appreciated, thanks Oh one more thing I was in a tournament playing against a Worship. He had Iridescent Angel out so I could not do any damage to him. He was at one life because that is all I could do. The judge told me that if I had a card that says target player loses # life that I could kill him. ie. Soul Feast. Is this true? Would Ali From Cairo be the same? thanks again
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trax72
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posted December 06, 2001 02:58 PM
A creature can't regenerate from a sacrifice, only from destruction. So no, he can't do that. Same goes for fading creatures since those have to be sacrificed when they fade out. Also regeneration doesn't make it come out again or anything like that, so if the Ancient Hydra would be regenerated it would still have the same number of fade counters on it.Yes, loss of life isn't damage so that's a good way to get around Worship - it only replaces the player's life total with 1 if *damage* would put it below 1.
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MyKoL
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posted December 09, 2001 01:48 AM
I was wondering if you can do this?opponent plays a Illusion.
I don't counter.
The Illusion comes into play does the 20 life ability go on the stack? if so Can i disenchant it and let the opponent lose 20 lifes? before he gets 20 lifes?
[Edited 1 times, lastly by MyKoL on December 09, 2001]
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the phoenix
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posted December 09, 2001 01:25 PM
Hey,I need somebody here to back me up because all the newbies at my store are outnumbering me and it's becoming difficult to play a good game. Question #1: I have a Morphling in play, my opponent casts Lightning Bolt on it, in response I make it untargetable until end of turn. Works, right?  Question #2: I have a creature in play, say a Llanowar Elf, and my opponent cast Treachery on it. I put Treachery's untap effect on the stack and Disenchant the Treachery. If the Disenchant goes through than the lands don't untap, right? Thanks...
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trax72
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posted December 09, 2001 02:02 PM
MyKoL: Yes that works - that's why Trix players hate Seal of Cleansing... the phoenix: Q1: Yes that works, the Lightning Bolt will be countered on resolution. The opponent could use another Lightning Bolt in response though, if you didn't have any more mana left to make it untargettable. Q2: No they still untap; removing the source of the triggered ability doesn't prevent it from resolving.
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da-odd-templar
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posted December 11, 2001 07:59 PM
Hmm...this came up like a year ago at FNM, but I finally decided to ask about it. My opponent had out one of those Masques lands that come into play with 2 counters and you can remove a counter/tap to get 2 of that land's mana, but you only get 2 uses. Anyway, he taps and removes the last counter, and then casts harrow saccing the land. My beef is that I thought the land in questions dies as soon as the counter is removed. What's the verdict?__________________
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ridethegoose
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posted December 11, 2001 10:18 PM
I tap three land to play Wheel Of Fortune.
In my hand I have a Fireblast and decide to play it as an instant before wheel of fortune effect comes into play. I sacrifice two mountains to do so this way I can deal four damage before I have to discard my hand.if you are wondering why I wouldn't play it in the first place its because i would rather have wheel countered than fireblast. Am i allowed to do this? I would appreciate it sense I thought I would be able to do this a lot and the opertunity comes up quite often in my deck. __________________
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iiven
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posted December 11, 2001 11:37 PM
I have a question that i have come up with after reading posts from trax72he keeps saying that a spell is "countered" if it doesnt have a target (ertai's meddling) or something to that effect. while i nkow its all the same effect (goes to graveyard, no effect) is it technically "countered" or is the term "fizzled" still used
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trax72
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posted December 12, 2001 06:51 AM
da-odd-templar: Ah you mean a land like this:Hickory Woodlot:
Info: Color=Land Type=Land Cost=None MM(C1)
Text(MM): ~this~ comes into play tapped with two depletion counters on it. ;
{Tap},Remove a depletion counter from ~this~: Add two green mana to your
mana pool. If there are no depletion counters on ~this~, sacrifice it. Once it's tapped for mana and the last depletion counter is taken off the land is sacrificed as part of the mana ability. There is no possibility to use it for Harrow's sacrifice cost. ridethegoose: That *is* possible but only if the opponent proceeds to counter the Wheel of Fortune once he/she gets priority. However if the opponent passes priority the Wheel of Fortune will resolve, and you won't be able to use Fireblast anymore unless you get one again from the new hand. iiven: Straight out of the rulebook: Fizzle (Obsolete)
In earlier versions of the rules, the term "fizzle" was used when a spell or ability was countered as a
result of all its targets being missing or illegal when it resolved.
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gzeiger
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posted December 12, 2001 10:28 AM
The dual lands as printed read "This card counts as [one type] and [a second type] and is affected by spells that would affect either. If a spell would destroy one of these land types, this card is destroyed. If a spell would alter one of these land types, the other type remains unchanged." The errata text is just "This is a [type] and a [second type] in addition to its land type." Does this errata change the way duals interact with effects like Conversion and Glaciers, that would change only one type? Originally Conversion would change a Badlands into a Plateau (effectively, anyway), but will it just become a basic Plains now?
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Donater
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posted December 12, 2001 11:35 AM
Hi all,Just a quick question about Mulch and Gaea's Blessing.
If i play Mulch (reveal top 4 cards library-any lands in hand, other in graveyard)and one of the 4 cards is Gaea's Blessing does it trigger the ability? (shuffle graveyard in library)
I think it does although im not sure because i thought it isn't exactly from my library.
Plz advice thx.
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trax72
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posted December 12, 2001 12:22 PM
gzeiger: Heh, didn't even have to think about it, there was a ruling at Plateau:
* Conversion changes the entire land to plains if it is a mountain. [WotC Rules Team 1998/02/01] Mulch: Yes that works, just like this ruling says:
* It does trigger on Intuition. [D'Angelo 1997/12/01] Or anything else that puts cards into your graveyard directly from your library.
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Zyndram
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posted December 12, 2001 12:33 PM
Does a card which has a single letter covered by a white dot(which was printed on it) count as a misprint?__________________
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trax72
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posted December 12, 2001 12:47 PM
Erm, that's not a ruling question, you should put that in question in a seperate post. I have no idea, really.
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gzeiger
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posted December 12, 2001 12:58 PM
Trax - What is "Plateau?" Is that a separate website, or are you just referencing a ruling from D'Angelo's about the card Plateau?
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trax72
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posted December 12, 2001 02:18 PM
Yep, it's from d'Angelo's rulings on Plateau.. 
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MagicMage2038
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posted December 13, 2001 07:31 PM
Hey I need some help: 1] Culling The Weak, a mana source. What's the deal with it, b/c someone i know is playing it as an enchantment. Is it for only end of turn or does it stay there? 2] Pestilence, what if I disenchant it when its brought out, does my opponenet still have a chance to pay the ability? 3] Quash, what if I Quash a recoil, but my opponent played 2 recoils at same time (he says)? 4] Dark Ritual. I heard some people are using Dark Ritual as a enchantment-like mana source, whats the word with that? Thx __________________
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[Edited 1 times, lastly by MagicMage2038 on December 18, 2001]
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iiven
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posted December 13, 2001 09:42 PM
MagicMage:
Question 1: culling the weak is played as an instant. one use then graveyard bound.Question 2: your opponent can respond to the disenchant and play the pestilence ability Question 3: i do not understand what you mean by "played 2 at same time" Question 4: dark ritual is the same scenario as culling the weak. instant. goes strait to graveyard
[Edited 1 times, lastly by iiven on December 13, 2001]
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