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Topic: Need a Ruling?.. Come on in... part 8, the quest for mo answers
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MrMonkey
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posted January 10, 2002 04:21 PM
 
Arena reads:
3,T: Choose one of your creatures and have your opponent choose one of his or her creatures. Both target creatures become tapped. Your creature does its power in damage to your opponent's creature, and your opponent's creature does its power in damage to yours.Assassin reads:
T: Destroy target tapped creature. __________________
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Aahz
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posted January 10, 2002 07:39 PM
My opponent has a creature token in play. I cast Unsummon (Return target creature to owner's hand.) What happens to the token? Hand? Graveyard? Vanish?Thanx, Aahz
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Aahz
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posted January 10, 2002 07:41 PM
If I have Raka Sanctuary in play and am the only one with creatures in play do I have to damage my own target my own creature?Aahz
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MyKoL
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posted January 10, 2002 09:36 PM
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My opponent has a creature token in play. I cast Unsummon (Return target creature to owner's hand.) What happens to the token? Hand? Graveyard? Vanish?
Thanx, Aahz
The creatures hits graveyard and after thats it's removed from the game
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Originally posted by Aahz:
If I have Raka Sanctuary in play and am the only one with creatures in play do I have to damage my own target my own creature?Aahz
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iiven
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posted January 10, 2002 10:24 PM
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Originally posted by MrMonkey:
Arena reads:
3,T: Choose one of your creatures and have your opponent choose one of his or her creatures. Both target creatures become tapped. Your creature does its power in damage to your opponent's creature, and your opponent's creature does its power in damage to yours.Assassin reads:
T: Destroy target tapped creature.
no, it all happens at once. creatures tap and deal damage. you cant cut into the middle of that card with an assassin.
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trax72
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posted January 11, 2002 12:31 AM
Babykid123: You said revenger was right, but in fact he was the one that misunderstood Helm of Obedience. Your explanation was correct though.  Lord of the Goats: Yes, it both counts as lifeloss. Note that activating Bargain will also trigger Transcendence so to avoid losing from having too much life you'll have to Disenchant the Transcendence at some point. Also, it *is* a costly enchantment... Rocket's Zapdos: Uhm read the card? It isn't that complicated... You get the cards from Necropotence at the end of your turn. Before that they're removed face down so you won't know the cards yet. Aahz/Mykohl: If you Unsummon a token creature the token goes to it's owner's hand during resolution. Then the token vanishes when statebased effects are checked.
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iiven
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posted January 13, 2002 07:35 PM
this question really has nothing to do with a deck, but im wondering anyhow.today i opened a pack to play a packwar and saw a pedantic learning. this card was less then exciting. anyhow, i got to thinking... i have pedantic learning in play, and a millikin in play. what is the order of payment and effects when i tap the millikin, flip a land to my graveyard. can i use the mana from the milikin to activate the learning, or is this mana only added after the whole effect has resolved, resulting in me missing my chance to use the learning with the milikin's mana
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gzeiger
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posted January 14, 2002 01:00 AM
What is this Transcendence people keep talking about? I can't find it either in Apprentice or Crystal Keep.
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iiven
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posted January 14, 2002 01:58 AM
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Originally posted by gzeiger:
What is this Transcendence people keep talking about? I can't find it either in Apprentice or Crystal Keep.
its comign out in torment 3WWW
enchantment
you do not lose the game as a result of having 0 or less life.
if you have 20 or more life you lose the game.
whenever you would lose life, instead gain twice that much life. (damage counts as loss of life)
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trax72
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posted January 14, 2002 02:46 AM
iiven: Since mana abilities don't go on the stack, you get the mana immediately. Then, if it milled a land, the trigger from Pedantic Learning goes on the stack and when it resolves, you can use the mana from Millikin to pay for it.gzeiger: Looks like you haven't seen the new http://www.magicthegathering.com site yet? Transcendence is a card from the Torment set, and is revealed in this article: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=mtgcom/daily/rb1
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Munchies
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posted January 15, 2002 08:13 PM
Just thought id clear up this transcendence thing. At first i thought "why does the non'dying as result of below 0 make any difference?" well you may think it but what actually happens is that say youre at 1 and someone rages you. you dont automatically gain 6, you lose 3, going to -2, then gain 6 going to 4. hope i helped__________________
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Sarcaster
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posted January 19, 2002 01:31 PM
Will 2 sterling groves protect each other?__________________
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HanSolo6385
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posted January 19, 2002 02:22 PM
Sarcaster: As long as you control both, yes, because the card reads "All other enchantments you control." Each Sterling Grove is a separate enchantment, so they protect each other.I have a rather confusing question. It's about Opal Acrolith. (Urza's Saga uncommon) It's a card that reads:
Whenever one of your opponents successfully casts a creature spell, if Opal Acrolith is an enchantment, Opal Acrolith becomes a 2/4 creature that counts as a Guardian. 0: Opal Acrolith becomes an enchantment. If Opal Acrolith is an enchantment and is blocking, can I allow damage to go on the stack, and then turn Opal Acrolith back into an enchantment before the damage resolves, leaving the Acrolith in play?
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iiven
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posted January 19, 2002 03:32 PM
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Originally posted by HanSolo6385:
If Opal Acrolith is an enchantment and is blocking, can I allow damage to go on the stack, and then turn Opal Acrolith back into an enchantment before the damage resolves, leaving the Acrolith in play?
absolutely, just put damage on the stack, then activate the ability prior to damage resolving. you deal your 2, and since damage can not be dealt to enchantments (or any non creature for that matter) it just fizzles.
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Selvaxri
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posted January 19, 2002 04:51 PM
i cast Overrun with Mirari in play. I use Mirari to 'fork' the overrun. then i cast Fork on the Overrun, and use Mirari to fork the Fork. how big do my creatures get?+3/+3 (Overrun), +3/+3 (Mirari'ed Overrun), +3/+3 (Fork'ed Overrun), +?/+? (Mirari'ed Fork)... 
help
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iiven
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posted January 19, 2002 04:55 PM
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Originally posted by Selvaxri:
i cast Overrun with Mirari in play. I use Mirari to 'fork' the overrun. then i cast Fork on the Overrun, and use Mirari to fork the Fork. how big do my creatures get?+3/+3 (Overrun), +3/+3 (Mirari'ed Overrun), +3/+3 (Fork'ed Overrun), +?/+? (Mirari'ed Fork)...
help
+12/+12 one for Overrun
one for Mirari(Overrun)
one for fork (Overrun)
one for mirari (fork (Overrun)) assuming you target the overrun with the copy of fork mirari gave you
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Trnothr
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posted January 20, 2002 06:07 AM
A simple one:Cards like Ichorid and Last Laugh exclude themselves for their effect. Does it mean other copies of the card as well, or like "remove a black creature card other than ~this~ from your graveyard"? __________________
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lod-aut
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posted January 20, 2002 07:52 AM
Opp uses Aceademy Rector to fetch e.g. a Treachery - does the Treachery use the stack so that I can respond for example by tapping my Thangart or do I have to use the abilty when Rector's ability triggersThanks in advance __________________
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da-odd-templar
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posted January 20, 2002 12:10 PM
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Originally posted by Trnothr:
A simple one:Cards like Ichorid and Last Laugh exclude themselves for their effect. Does it mean other copies of the card as well, or like "remove a black creature card other than ~this~ from your graveyard"?
I would like to know this too, as Ichorid is massively powerful. However, I would think that it means you can't remove any copies of Ichorid, as if it meant ~this~ card it would be quite dumb, as you would already know you can't remove card A to reanimate card A. I would still like to know official stuff though!  __________________
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gzeiger
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posted January 20, 2002 12:48 PM
Whenever a card refers to itself by name, it should be read as saying "this card." That's the rule, unless it excludes "a card named Ichorid."Lod-aut: Treachery would come into play as part of the Rector's effect. It does not go on the stack separately and is not considered a spell. You would have to respond to the Rector's ability directly. This also allows Rector (as well as Replenish and Enchantment Alteration) to enchant a Morphling or Blastoderm, or similar untargetable creature.
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Dawnbreaker
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posted January 20, 2002 12:56 PM
alright these rulings are for voracious cobra,now my question is, if i block it with a 3/3 does the cobra still die~? i know it has first srike, and its ability does kill the blocking creature at the end of combat, but, i was thinking that the 3/3 would kill the cobra also, assuming it would go like this, block with greel,mind raker the stack checks and see if the creature is tough enough to handle the first strike, and then since it is, greel would deal his three damage as well, and then at the end of combat they both die~?
another question,
decimate, do you have to target atleast one of everything on the card~? any help would be great~?
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Arch-Zealot
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posted January 20, 2002 01:05 PM
Here's the scenario...I have 6 cards in my library left. Its my opponent's turn and he casts False Memories. He then Diverts it to me and says I have to put 7 cards in my graveyard. I said he can't do that so I ask Lord of the Goats and Tedman, they said he can't because it doesn't say False Memories isn't targeted. But my opponent doesn't think so. __________________
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*Tedman*
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posted January 20, 2002 01:34 PM
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Originally posted by Arch-Zealot:
I have 6 cards in my library left. Its my opponent's turn and he casts False Memories. He then Diverts it to me and says I have to put 7 cards in my graveyard. I said he can't do that so I ask Lord of the Goats and Tedman, they said he can't because it doesn't say False Memories isn't targeted. But my opponent doesn't think so.
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Tha Gunslinga
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posted January 20, 2002 02:16 PM
Dawnbreaker, in reply to this:
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alright these rulings are for voracious cobra,
now my question is, if i block it with a 3/3 does the cobra still die~? i know it has first srike, and its ability does kill the blocking creature at the end of combat, but, i was thinking that the 3/3 would kill the cobra also,assuming it would go like this, block with greel,mind raker the stack checks and see if the creature is tough enough to handle the first strike, and then since it is, greel would deal his three damage as well, and then at the end of combat they both die~?
another question,
decimate, do you have to target atleast one of everything on the card~? any help would be great~?
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First of all, when Voracious Cobra blocks or is blocked, it deals its combat damage before the other creature, except if the other has first strike. The other creature then dies, because Voracious Cobra has damaged it. Voracious Cobra's ability to kill whatever it damages does NOT take effect at the end of combat. It takes effect immediately. The 3/3 you refer to is dead and does not deal damage unless it has first strike or has some way of nullifying the Cobra's damage, like Healing Salve, Inviolability, etc.
Cobra is killable, but it's hard. If the Cobra blocks or is blocked by a first-striker with power equal to or greater than the Cobra's toughness, the Cobra will die too, since all first strike damage goes on the stack at the same time. As for Decimate, yes, it does have to have all 4 targets. That's why it's not too popular among those who understand this. I hope this helps. __________________
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Raatcharch
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posted January 20, 2002 10:54 PM
What's the deal with Snow Covered Lands? Are they considered basic lands? Can you search for them with Harrow? Can you have more than 4 in a deck?__________________
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