posted March 07, 2002 04:45 AM            

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Originally posted by trax72:
[b]2pacalypse:[/bPlaying Vindicate on a Nimble Mongoose by mistake will cause you to reverse this action, see rule 422.1 quoted by HanSolo above.

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Correct me if Iīm wrong, but if opponent has nimble mongoose and werebear in table, then you tap three mana and cast vindicate. You choose target(s) for vindicate naming mongoose, due to itīs abilities itīs not legal and you have to choose another target for your vindicate. If that werebear isnīt in play casting of vindicate would be cancelled (couldnīt be cast) because of no legal targets at all.
Whaddaya say?

posted March 07, 2002 05:34 AM            

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Originally posted by Enslaved:
Correct me if Iīm wrong, but if opponent has nimble mongoose and werebear in table, then you tap three mana and cast vindicate. You choose target(s) for vindicate naming mongoose, due to itīs abilities itīs not legal and you have to choose another target for your vindicate. If that werebear isnīt in play casting of vindicate would be cancelled (couldnīt be cast) because of no legal targets at all.
Whaddaya say?

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If you do it in the order that you stated, you would indeed have 3 mana in your pool, after the target was found to be illegal. You could then back up, and choose to pick another target, burn for 3, or use the mana for another spell. HOWEVER, if you announce the spell and target first, then pay mana, everything after the improper play is cancelled. Therefore, you will untap lands, empty pool, and return Vindicate to your hand, and may get an unsportsmanlike conduct warning . I suggest playing like this in most cases, if only for this very reason alone!!

posted March 07, 2002 05:44 AM            

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Originally posted by Enslaved:
If that werebear isnīt in play casting of vindicate would be cancelled (couldnīt be cast) because of no legal targets at all.
Whaddaya say?

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Vindicate says "Destroy target permanent." Therefore by your reasoning, if you hit a goose and you can't, you gotta target a land, because those lands are in play, and other legal targets of Vindicate. See how silly that sounds?

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posted March 09, 2002 10:05 AM            

A.9 - Buyback
A.9.1 - The ability is written as "Buyback <-cost->". The cost can include mana, sacrifices, loss of life, or any other action in the game. [CompRules 2001/07/23 - 502.16a]
A.9.2 - Buyback is defined as "You may pay an additional <-cost-> as you play this spell. If you do, put this card into your hand instead of into your graveyard as this spell resolves.". [CompRules 2001/07/23 - 502.16a]
A.9.3 - The Buyback cost is paid when announcing the spell. [CompRules 2001/07/23 - 502.16a]
A.9.4 - The use of Buyback is optional. [D'Angelo 1998/02/03]
A.9.5 - The spell does not go to your hand if it is countered. [CompRules 1999/04/23] Remember that a targeted spell is countered if all of its targets are illegal on resolution (see Rule G.39.6).
A.9.6 - Buyback is a replacement effect (see Rule T.10). [CompRules 1999/04/23]
A.9.Ruling.1 - Cost reducing effects can be applied to Buyback costs. [D'Angelo 1997/10/17] See Rule K.20.Ruling.1.
A.9.Ruling.2 - If a Buyback spell is cast by someone other than the owner (using Grinning Totem), the card goes to the owner's graveyard, not to anyone's hand. [D'Angelo 2000/01/18]

posted March 11, 2002 04:35 PM         

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posted March 11, 2002 04:44 PM         

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posted March 11, 2002 05:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Titan33:
Q1:
can i play innocent blood if i do not have a creature on the board?

Q2: explain tainted pact to my friend?

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no problem buddy Yes you can play blood when you dont have a creature because it isnt targeting anything, so again, yes you can. And tainted pact as far as i know is like this:

You keep revealing the top card of your library until you want to stop. If you choose to stop you take the card you stopped on, put it in your hand and then remove the rest revealed in this way. Now theres one catch...if you reveal a card twice, you remove the whole stack away and you leave away with notten

Hope I helped.

posted March 11, 2002 06:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Selvaxri:
my opponent has multiple Looters and Brokers out, and uses them against me. can i play any spell that i'm drawing due to the brokers/looters, before i have to discard anything? (same thing for my opponent, he looter/broker's himself.)

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nope, its one motion..when he taps the loot, you gotta draw and then discard then you can do stuff.

posted March 11, 2002 06:57 PM            

I attack with Psychatog, and I'm working to beef him up, he uses the Tormod's Crypt ability to remove my graveyard from the game, and I use Psychatog's ability in response. DOES PSYCHATOG STILL GET THE PUMP UP?

Thanks for any responses. I really want to kindly inform this person of his error. Bye for now.

*just proof.
this is tom.
this is about mike's false info*

posted March 11, 2002 07:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Magic Elemental:
Okay, here's a question that, for some reason, the guy won't believe me on my response.

I attack with Psychatog, and I'm working to beef him up, he uses the Tormod's Crypt ability to remove my graveyard from the game, and I use Psychatog's ability in response. DOES PSYCHATOG STILL GET THE PUMP UP?

Thanks for any responses. I really want to kindly inform this person of his error. Bye for now.

*just proof.
this is tom.
this is about mike's false info*

Any members, pay no mind to the framed statement above. Thanks again for a response.

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Yup..and kick his A$$ for me and tell him hes wrong!!!!

posted March 12, 2002 05:28 PM            

I am not a judge, but I was judging the local tourny. Very few people argreed with the ruling, most thought that the Scavenger should have been sacrificed.

posted March 12, 2002 05:36 PM            

Short story: For Spirituality, do you gain life on damage resolving or damage assigned? Also, if you are at 4 life and Spiritualize a 6/6, do you die?

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posted March 12, 2002 06:33 PM            

Vhati-il-Dal:
Technically your critics are correct - The Scavenger has a default choice (sacrifice it) which will happen unless the player chooses the other option. For reasons that should be obvious, I would be tempted to make the ruling that you did, because really it's kinda dumb for the player to lose his creature like that.

However, the rule is pretty clear to the contrary. The reason is that the DCI prioritizes the prevention of cheating over extra safeguards for us forgetful players. This guy made an honest mistake, but perhaps it's unwise to set a precedent that one can look at the top card of his library before making this decision.

At the very least, I think if you rule that he can back up and make the decision, you ought to require that he shuffle the drawn card back in to correct the knowledge that he has when deciding whether to sac the Anurid (in addition to a formal warning).

That becomes more problematic in a situation where the library might be ordered. I think that only comes up in Extended and Type 1, where cards like Impulse or Abundance can order the bottom of the deck, but if this has happened then I think you really need to rule that an irreversible error has occurred and the guy has to sacrifice the creature.

posted March 12, 2002 11:13 PM            

(Note that you cannot, however, remove an Ichorid in your graveyard from the game to bring that same Ichorid back into play)

posted March 14, 2002 04:30 PM            

I have a Whispers of the Muse in my graveyard. I cast a Yawgmoth's Will and then cast ther Whispers with Buyback. Does the whispers go back to my hand, or is it removed from the game?

posted March 14, 2002 08:20 PM            

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Originally posted by -Vhati-il-dal-:
The following sitation happened at a local tourny:
Player A has an Anurid Scavenger, and forgets to restock cards during his upkeep, and has now drawn a card.
Player B says that the Scavenger dies because Player A forgot about the upkeep cost.
I ruled as follows: Unlike popular belief, the Scavenger does not die "by default" because the upkeep cost wasn't payed. In order for the player's upkeep to end, either condition on the card must be satisfied. Since the conditions were NOT satisfied, I ruled that the play must SELECT one to happen during his upkeep, the sacrifice does not take place by default. I warned Player A about looking at the top card of his library.

I am not a judge, but I was judging the local tourny. Very few people argreed with the ruling, most thought that the Scavenger should have been sacrificed.

Is this the correct ruling?

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