posted April 20, 2002 09:17 AM            

Megrim 2B Enchantment
Whenever any opponent discards a card, Megrim deals 2 damage to him or her.
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My opponent is at 15 life.
I am at two life.
We both have four cards in our hands.
I have two Megrim in play.
I cast Urza's Guilt.
He loses 16 life and I lose four life.
Is the game a draw?

posted April 20, 2002 09:37 AM            

The words "when," "whenever" and "at" in a card's ability make it a triggered ability - it goes on the stack whenever its condition is met. In this case, Urza's Guilt resolves, and you each discard 3 cards and lose four life.

Megrim triggers go on the stack (6 of them, because 3 cards were discarded and there are two Megrims). When they resolve, each does 2 damage.

However, we never get to that last part because you were already dead when Urza's Guilt resolved, long before the triggers resolve (in fact you die before they are put on the stack).

posted April 20, 2002 10:02 AM            

also, if I flicker my own energy field and then play an instant in responce to my flicker, do I get to keep my energy field or not?
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posted April 21, 2002 11:44 AM            

If you play an instant in response to Flicker, it will go to your graveyard before Flicker resolves, triggering Energy Field and making you sacrifice it. You won't get it back - Flicker will be countered because it won't have a target when it resolves.

posted April 21, 2002 11:51 AM            

At regionals, I saw a player Ghitu Fire the other guy for 7, and the guy Prohibited it w/out kicker. The opponent called the judge, but the judge said the fire's converted cost was 1.

I'm confused. I thought while on the stack it's converted cost was what you paid for X plus the one already there.

Another question: Some friends and I were playing at one of our buddies apartments, and Bryan and me started playing. I had 4 bursts in hand at one point, and it was getting tight, so he repulsed my guy, and in response, I bursted it. He started to draw, and I said that since the pulse doesn't resolve, he doesn't draw. He argued that because you can Absorb a rage and still gain the life, you can still draw because of repulse. Can you please tell me the right rule so that I can print it out and show him? He insists that I get proof. He also said that quirion dryad's counters simply happen...I argued that because it says "Whenever" or "When" it's a triggered ability and uses the stack.

Help me get proof

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posted April 21, 2002 09:26 PM            

That judge at Regionals was on crack or worse. This happens from time to time. The floor rules allow you to appeal a decision to the head judge, which the player in question should have done. I also carry a copy of the rules in my binder for these occasions.

From the Comp Rules Glossary:

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X
If a cost has an "X" in it, the value of X must be announced as part of playing the spell or ability. (See rule 409, "Playing Spells and Abilities.") While the spell or ability is on the stack, the X in its mana cost equals that amount of generic mana. If a card in any other zone has X in its mana cost, the amount is treated as 0. In other cases, X will be defined by the text of a spell or ability. If X isn't defined, the controller of the spell or ability chooses the value of X. All Xs on a card have the same value.

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For the next question I'm going to assume for my own sanity that the Burst in question is either Ęther or Flame, rather than Life, Muscle, Mind or Saproling Burst

When Repulse resolves, it returns a target creature to its owner's hand, and its caster draws a card. Note that only the creature is targeted, not the player. Since you removed the spell's only target, Repulse is countered when it tries to resolve (countered means none of the effects happen, including drawing a card).

From the rules:

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413.2. Resolution of a spell or ability may involve several steps but is treated by the game as a single
indivisible action. These steps are followed in the order listed below.

413.2a If the spell or ability specifies targets, it checks whether the targets are still legal. A target that's removed from play, or from the zone designated by the spell or ability, is illegal. A target may also become illegal if its characteristics changed since the spell or ability was played or if an effect changed the wording of the spell or ability. If all targets are now illegal, the spell or ability is countered. If the spell or ability is not countered it will resolve normally, affecting only the targets that are still legal.

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Quirion Dryad's ability is triggered and it does use the stack.

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404. Triggered Abilities

404.1. A triggered ability begins with the word "when," "whenever," or "at." The phrase containing one of these words is the trigger condition, which defines the trigger event. A delayed triggered ability will also contain one of these three words, although that word won't usually begin the ability.

404.2. Triggered abilities aren't played. Instead, a triggered ability automatically "triggers" each time its trigger event occurs. Once an ability has triggered, it goes on the stack the next time a player would receive priority.

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posted April 22, 2002 11:41 AM            

The relevant part is a mana cost of XRR, and a flashback cost RR, sacrifice X mountains.

posted April 22, 2002 12:11 PM            

I think I too will print out the Comp. rules, for my own sake.

And yup, it was Aether Burst.

Thanks again!

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posted April 22, 2002 12:15 PM            

What is your stance on this?

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posted April 22, 2002 01:11 PM            

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Originally posted by da-odd-templar:
Oh, and another question. What is the proper etiquette of spectators at higher level events like Regionals and PTQ's and such. This arises from the fact that at regionals, I saw a player tap his land wrong (crucial turn), and I pointed it out. Because of me pointing it out, he lost. Later he was very angry at me.

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At such types of events, spectators should not say anything regarding the game. If they see something wrong with the rules, they should call over a judge and tell them what happened, but NEVER point out anything like that.

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posted April 22, 2002 01:32 PM            

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Originally posted by da-odd-templar:
Oh, and another question. What is the proper etiquette of spectators at higher level events like Regionals and PTQ's and such. This arises from the fact that at regionals, I saw a player tap his land wrong (crucial turn), and I pointed it out. Because of me pointing it out, he lost. Later he was very angry at me.

What is your stance on this?

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I can understand why he was angry. Even if you didn't mean to help him, it can certainly be construed as such. Because of this he was dq'd. Probably you meant well, but you know what they mean about the road to... Anyway, here is a quote from the applicable DCI Universal Tournament Rules:

http://shadow.wizards.com/dci/downloads/UTR_EN_20020219.doc

14. Spectator and Press Responsibilities
Spectators are expected to remain silent during matches and are not permitted to communicate with players in any way while matches are in progress. Players have the right to request that a spectator not observe their matches. All such requests must be made through a judge

Spectators and members of the press who believe that they have observed rules violations should inform a judge, but they must not interfere with the match..

I can't find in the penalty guidelines where it says what the penalty for this should be to the player, but I think a game or match loss for the player is somewhat unreasonable. I guess in your situation you should have either:
A) Shouted loudly for a judge in a manner that startles both players enough to stop their playing long enough for the judge to get there (and then act like that wasn't your intention)
or
B) Keep your mouth shut except to snicker to yourself that the player wasn't smart enough to tap his land right and pray that you get paired with him in the next round.

[edit]Argggh, Tedman beat me to it again!
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posted April 22, 2002 01:51 PM            

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posted April 22, 2002 03:16 PM         

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Originally posted by gzeiger:
Trax, can I get your opinion on something? The new card from the Judgement spoiler - Firecat Blitz.

The relevant part is a mana cost of XRR, and a flashback cost RR, sacrifice X mountains.

If it's played by flashback, I think the number of mountains sacrificed are still considered to be the X in the converted mana cost? At least that's what I think from the bit I posted above - "all instances of X on a card are the same." What do you think?

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Ah that one, just like Flash of Insight...

Firecat Blitz
U, Sorcery, XRR
Put X 1/1 red Cat creature tokens with haste into play. Remove them from the game at end of turn.
Flashback RR, Sacrifice X Mountains

Hmm... You're not actually paying mana for the X cost when flashing it back, but the converted manacost is not related to the flashback cost. As the rules stand now, I'd have to agree with you - X would be counted towards the converted manacost - I came across that particular rule aswell (X is the same everywhere). This is still tricky though and you can argue either way. Perhaps a ruling will determine otherwise - I'd say these cards will *definately* be mentioned in the Judgment FAQ.

posted April 23, 2002 08:45 PM            

1) If there is a portcullis in play and someone plays living death, what happens?

2) If two Opalescence are in play, and someone plays humility, what happens?

3) Sacing a goblin for gobling bomb is part of the casting cost, right? So using Mirari wouldn't make you sac another right?

These are just some questions off the top of my head. So I'll post more later. Thanks, PM me.

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posted April 23, 2002 09:19 PM            

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If two Opalescence are in play, and someone plays humility, what happens?

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Seriously, this has been discussed earlier in the thread (no more than 2-3 pages back) so read there for the full story. The short answer is that all creatures and all enchantments are 1/1s with no abilities.

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If there is a portcullis in play and someone plays living death, what happens?

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Whenever a creature comes into play, if there are two or more other creatures in play, remove that creature from the game. ; When ~this~ leaves play, return to play under their owner's control all creatures removed from the game with ~this~.

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Each player sets aside all creature cards in his or her graveyard, then sacrifices all creatures he or she controls, then puts all creature cards he or she set aside this way into play.

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D'Angelo explains it very well - you choose which two creatures stay in play by announcing them as the first two Portcullis abilities to go on the stack.

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If multiple creatures come into play at once, due to Living Death for example, then Portcullis will trigger on all of those creatures. The player controlling Portcullis decides the order to resolve the Portcullis triggers and therefore chooses which two creatures stay in play (assuming that none were already in play... if some were already in play he might not really get a choice). All the others get yanked by the Portcullis. [D'Angelo 1998/06/11]

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posted April 24, 2002 11:03 PM            

First, note that Deflection and Misdirection only ask you to choose a new target for the spell when they resolve. That's not critical here, but you need to know that.

You need to let his Deflection resolve and change the target of the Disenchant. Then, before Disenchant resolves, Misdirect it to your preferred target.

Alternately, you can Misdirect the Deflection, causing it to target Misdirection itself. When Deflection tries to resolve, it will be countered because Misdirection is in your graveyard and thus not a legal target.

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