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x0x2k1 Member	posted February 01, 2002 05:43 PM Can I Aether burst a creature card from my graveyard to my hand? It doesn't say creature in play or permanent, it just says "target creature" I need ruling quick. __________________ Blazetonite is my Aim, Just Im Me! All Hail Val. The Goddess is Here. Worship the Goddess snip - Valmtg, the goddess -Blazetonite@aol.com- -Ensign XoX- -GAB Neon Nightowl Team- [Edited 1 times, lastly by x0x2k1 on February 01, 2002]
Redlimit Member	posted February 01, 2002 05:55 PM No. Burst can only target creatures in play. Cards in the graveyard can only be targeted by cards that affect them directly(the card will mention it in its text). If there is nothing said about the graveyard, you cant use it there. Here is a new question: Regarding Strength of Lunacy/Isolation - my opponent uses Swords To Plowshares on my Wild Mongrel, can I cast the Lunacy with madness in response to give it pro white? My understanding of madness states that the Lunacy goes into play the next time the card can be played(in this case, 'enchant creature' next time the stack is empty) and is therefore too late to save the Mongrel. Is this right? Or does the madness allow it to slip on to the Mongrel in time? Those two enchantments are the only madness cards that will cause any rulings problems that I see....
trax72 Member	posted February 02, 2002 08:13 AM Madness cards can be played any time after the trigger has resolved until you pass priority. This means that the stack doesn't have to be empty, and allows you to cast the madness enchantments and creatures at "instant" speed. So yes you can cast the Lunacy on the Mongrel before StP resolves.
Selvaxri Member	posted February 02, 2002 12:18 PM quote: Originally posted by gzeiger: [B]Harbinger - The old Simulacrum is very poorly worded. The Oracle text is: Gain life equal to the damage dealt to you this turn. Simulacrum deals damage to target creature you control equal to the damage dealt to you this turn. This effect will not save you from lethal damage. There's no redirection involved.[B] so that's what retroactivley applied means. i always thought it just meant, in the long way, "Redircet all damage dealt to you, to target creature you control." wow
iiven Member	posted February 02, 2002 02:44 PM sup all. question: My opponent is at 2 life, i have Gaea's skyfolk in play and my opponent has a soul link on it. if i attack for 2 does the opponent die? my understanding is that it is not a replacement affect, so they drop to 0 before they gain 2 life. thus dying immediatly. my opponent thinks that its "instantanious" so which is it? thanks
Russ Member	posted February 02, 2002 02:56 PM im no judge but ive been playing magic since unlimited and i believe the answer is ur friend recieves Zero damage. Im not too sure though. __________________ MOTLMerchnat@hotmail.com
etonkyn Member	posted February 02, 2002 05:46 PM Can you attack with chimeric idol or other such cards the turn they come into play or are they still affected by summoning sickness? __________________ email: etonkyn@princeton.edu
Trnothr Member	posted February 02, 2002 06:00 PM People, people, don't make yourselves look stupid and blurt out your opinions. This post is for DEFINITE rulings. iiven, Spirit Link's effect is triggered (keyword "whenever", with no "instead" around), Skyfolk has to deal damage before you can gain life, meaning your opponent WILL lose. Russ, be quiet. Etonkyn, yes, they're affected. __________________ Am I the one you think I am, or just the one you didn't expect?
Rocket's Zapdos Member	posted February 03, 2002 09:33 AM What happens if there is a ground seal in play and I have a Coth in my graveyard (can Iplay it) and would Psychatog be useless when Ground Seal is in play
trax72 Member	posted February 03, 2002 09:53 AM Ground Seal says "Cards in graveyards can't be the targets of spells or abilities". Playing a Call of the Herd with Flashback doesn't target, and neither does Psychatog's ability, so Ground Seal has no effect on those things.
*Tedman* Member	posted February 03, 2002 10:30 AM I have an Obstinate Familiar in play, and during my upkeep, my opponent Plagiarizes me. Do I even have the opportunity to skip the draw, or does my opponent draw the card? __________________ MOTL Moderator for: Deck Help/Construction Articles Magic Discussion General Discussion
MAGIC is CARDBOARD crack Member	posted February 03, 2002 10:43 AM quote: Originally posted by etonkyn: Can you attack with chimeric idol or other such cards the turn they come into play or are they still affected by summoning sickness? they still have summoning sickness... __________________ its crack...its crack, magic is crack 3rd in ohio in posts, yea baby! Milk is nice drink. I drink 3-4 pints most day. I live alone.
gzeiger Member	posted February 03, 2002 05:52 PM Tedman - Obstinate Familiar does indeed beat Plagiarize: 419.8a If two or more replacement or prevention effects are attempting to modify the way an event affects a permanent or player, the affected permanent's controller or the affected player chooses one to apply to that permanent or player. Then the other applies if it is still appropriate. If one or more of the applicable replacement effects is a "self-replacement effect" (see rule 419.6d), that effect is applied before any other replacement effects.
Tha Gunslinga Moderator	posted February 04, 2002 12:40 PM OK, there's a card called Ersatz Gnomes that can turn spells colorless. Can I use this with Terminate to take out an Iridescent Angel? My thought would be that if you played the Terminate, then turned it colorless, it might work. However, I'd think since you can't turn it colorless until it's been played, and you can't play it without targeting the Angel, which is illegal, you couldn't do that. Anyway, is this possible?
gzeiger Member	posted February 04, 2002 05:49 PM You can't announce the Terminate targetting the Angel for the reason you stated.
KGBeast Member	posted February 04, 2002 07:24 PM Do the cards gained by Necropotence enter the hand before or after the discard portion of the end of turn step? I know Necrologia enters before the discard portion, but I do not know about Necropotence. Since it is worded "End of Turn" I would imagine the discard portion of the phase has passed. __________________ AIM Handle: Sarnath7 I saw a werewolf drinking a Pina Colada at Trader Vic's. His hair was perfect. "Morality is the best of all devices for leading mankind by the nose." –Nietzsche "It may be necessary to kill a man, but to incarcerate him destroys both his dignity and yours." -Heinlein
gzeiger Member	posted February 05, 2002 02:06 PM The End Phase has two steps, the End Step and the Cleanup. "At end of turn" triggers occur at the beginning of the End Step. You discard during the Cleanup step.
Juzam Lynx Member	posted February 05, 2002 07:26 PM Here is a question. I have a dawn of the dead in play and a skizzik in graveyard. During my upkeep I return skizzik into play using DotD. At the end of turn, does the skizzik go to graveyard or RFG? or can i choose?
MAGIC is CARDBOARD crack Member	posted February 05, 2002 07:34 PM I think that since Skizzik was put into play by Dawn of the Dead, It is removed from the game. __________________ its crack...its crack, magic is crack 3rd in ohio in posts, yea baby! Milk is nice drink. I drink 3-4 pints most day. I live alone. [Edited 1 times, lastly by MAGIC is CARDBOARD crack on February 05, 2002]
Redlimit Member	posted February 05, 2002 07:38 PM Both "end of turn" effects go off at the same time, and since you control both of the effects, you get to decide the order they go off in. So yes, you can use DotD to attack with Skizzik every turn.
Imagenyuss Member	posted February 06, 2002 05:57 PM I have two questions: Can I return a city of traitors to my hand for one of tha lairs? what happens when i have a Lich out and a Transcendence in play? (I played the Lich first) __________________ (I am spelling Impared) shut up because Im a genyuss. Lands suck
Tha Gunslinga Moderator	posted February 07, 2002 07:16 AM Not sure about the Lich, but with the City/Lair idea, the City of Traitors will die. It says it dies whenever you play another land, and since the lair's effect is a come-into-play effect, the city will die first.
Glowing goo Member	posted February 07, 2002 08:57 AM http://www.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/013402.html Come and answer my questions. ~G
gzeiger Member	posted February 07, 2002 01:23 PM Gunslinga - I hate to be a prick about this, but please don't post unless you're sure you have a correct answer. Lair lands and City of Traitors both have triggered abilities and they have the same trigger condition. Both abilities use the stack: quote: 404.1. A triggered ability begins with the word "when," "whenever," or "at." The phrase containing one of these words is the trigger condition, which defines the trigger event. A delayed triggered ability will also contain one of these three words, although that word won't usually begin the ability. 404.2. Triggered abilities aren't played. Instead, a triggered ability automatically "triggers" each time its trigger event occurs. Once an ability has triggered, it goes on the stack the next time a player would receive priority. Furthermore, snce you control both lands, you get to stack the effects in the order of your choice. If you put City of Traitors' ability on first, then the bounce effect, City will be in your hand when its own ability tries to resolve. quote: 410.3. If multiple abilities have triggered since the last time a player received priority, pseudospells controlled by the active player go on the stack first, in any order he or she chooses... __________________ email me at gzeiger@hotmail.com
gzeiger Member	posted February 07, 2002 01:25 PM With Lich and Transcendence in play, you will draw two cards every time you would lose life. This includes life-loss from mana burn. However you really need Replenish to even try it, due to the ridiculous colored mana requirements of each of those cards.

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