posted February 19, 2002 10:47 AM         

Player 1 & 2 have a mogg fanatic each. Player 1 sacs the mogg to play a grenade. Player 2 says no, before you do that i sac my mogg to kill yours... Now, 1. in true magic can you say: before you do that... 2. doesn't your mogg not exist as a target for the other mogg once you sac it (the sacrifice is part of the casting cost, so doesn't go on the stack right???)

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posted February 19, 2002 11:03 AM            

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Originally posted by Clasic Rock Magic:
Big debate...

Player 1 & 2 have a mogg fanatic each. Player 1 sacs the mogg to play a grenade. Player 2 says no, before you do that i sac my mogg to kill yours... Now, 1. in true magic can you say: before you do that... 2. doesn't your mogg not exist as a target for the other mogg once you sac it (the sacrifice is part of the casting cost, so doesn't go on the stack right???)

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As active player casting the goblin grenage, your fanatic is sacrificed as soon as the spell is announced. While your opponent can respond to the spell, by sac'ing his fanatic, he can't target your fanatic because it is already in your graveyard. The only time this would be relevant is if for instance, your grenade will kill him upon resolution, but in response he sacs his fanatic and let's say fireblasts (or some other instant direct damage) to kill you. You would die, before your grenade resolves, thus you lose.

BTW, there is no such thing as 'before you do that', rather 'in response to......" is the closest thing.

Hope this helps.

posted February 19, 2002 12:38 PM         

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posted February 19, 2002 12:39 PM         

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Originally posted by Redlimit:
Well assuming they arent going to be really mad at you, or cause you a warning or game loss at a tournament, the creature will be placed in the graveyard as it was supposed to be there anyway(assuming of course that it DID receive lethal damage or died of some other cause).

Its not like effects where you "may choose to add a counter", if you miss your chance to add a counter, you cant take it back later. This is a logical game error, and gets corrected.

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So? There is no penalty for doing what I said? But I must kill the creature if they tell me so? Odd. What if I attack on my turn and they lose life... but later nowtice.

posted February 19, 2002 12:50 PM            

If you WERE trying to cheat, then depending on the severity, you could receive a game loss, a match loss, or get disqualified from the tournament.

In the loss of life situation, again, if its just an honest error then correct the life total to what it should be and continue. If they(or you) were trying to cheat then the same rules above apply.

posted February 19, 2002 12:51 PM            

this makes the stack:

finkel
counter
absorb
radiate

is this how it works out?

Radiate resolves. Absorb targets all legal targes, can't target itself, targets counter and finkel. Those copies resolve first, those both belong to caster of radiate, so finkel and counter are both removed from stack, radiate's caster gains 6 life. absorb is left, has no legal target, countered on resolution.

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posted February 19, 2002 02:23 PM            

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Originally posted by da-odd-templar:
I cast finkel, you cast counter, i cast absorb targeting your counter, you cast radiate targeting my absorb...

this makes the stack:

finkel
counter
absorb
radiate

is this how it works out?

Radiate resolves. Absorb targets all legal targes, can't target itself, targets counter and finkel. Those copies resolve first, those both belong to caster of radiate, so finkel and counter are both removed from stack, radiate's caster gains 6 life. absorb is left, has no legal target, countered on resolution.

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This one is easy. Looks like you can't see the forest for the trees. You only read the first part, Radiate goes on to say ".....that targets only a single PERMANENT or PLAYER..." As Absorb targets neither, Radiate cannot be played targeting the Absorb.

Hope this helps.

posted February 19, 2002 04:37 PM            

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Originally posted by elambert24:

This one is easy. Looks like you can't see the forest for the trees. You only read the first part, Radiate goes on to say ".....that targets only a single PERMANENT or PLAYER..." As Absorb targets neither, Radiate cannot be played targeting the Absorb.

Hope this helps.

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ROFL! Perhaps I should learn to read before posting questions.

Bah, Radiate should be able to target counters! It would get pretty wacky

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posted February 20, 2002 02:25 PM            

Does the Rootwalla come into play, then take damge and die, or does the damage resolve then the Rootwalla lives.

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posted February 20, 2002 05:47 PM            

Ok, I need a fast answer for this. Do Dawn of the Dead and Animal Boneyard work like I think or like my friend thinks? I think that if you bring a creature back then sac it to the Boneyard that it stays in your graveyard. My friend thinks that even if it's in your graveyard that you still have to remove it at the end of turn. Help?

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posted February 20, 2002 05:57 PM            

If the creature isn't in play end of turn, The DotD won't nab it.

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posted February 20, 2002 07:13 PM            

Q2:
Can i tap my blured mongoose to use the opposition activation ablity.

posted February 20, 2002 07:15 PM         

Q2: I assume you mean "can you tap mongoose to tap another permanent via opposition" if so then yes, since you're not targeting mongoose

posted February 20, 2002 09:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Titan33:
Q1:
i i cast a flametongue kavu, and my opponet has a risilient wanderer and ditches a card to give it pro-red, do i have to chose another target for the 4 damage, or does it just fizzle.

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It depends on when he uses the ability. If he uses it before Ftk comes into play, the ftk must target something legal. (Incidentally, if ftk and wanderer are only creatures in play, ftk must target itself.) If he uses it after ftk's damage goes on stack, then the damage is negated, and ftk's damage never happens.

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posted February 21, 2002 11:29 AM            

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Originally posted by RoMeRz:
see the cards that have, if u tap a black land, u get +1/+1. If you tap 5 black lands will u get +5/+5

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posted February 22, 2002 12:31 AM            

Here's the deal. In the case of most shades, you can pump them till you either A: Run outta mana, or B: Till your heart is content. Things like Phyrexian Battleflies are a little different though, because it limits the amount of times you can use it. The Nayaka Shade from Prophecy is slightly different too. The basis behind him his that you can pump him until you either run out of mana or your heart is content, but for every B you pay, they can pay (2) to stop it. Hope that helps.

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