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babywario
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posted November 18, 2002 11:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for babywario   Click Here to Email babywario     
I have two questions:
#1: Can you switch lands?(Situation: He played a Shade's Form, tapping a Mountain and two Swamps. He then untapped the Mountain and tapped a Island[after the spell resolved] then tapped the Mountain[same one] and 2 Islands to play Browbeat. Is this legal?)

#2If I attempt to play a spell at an illegal time, what happens?(Situation: I annonuced my attack phase, attacking with a Arrogant Wurm. He declares no blockers and damage is on the stack. I attempt to play a sorcery with flashback.[Reckless Charge] What happens?)

Thank you!

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posted November 19, 2002 12:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TunaBoo     
quote:
Originally posted by babywario:
I have two questions:
#1: Can you switch lands?(Situation: He played a Shade's Form, tapping a Mountain and two Swamps. He then untapped the Mountain and tapped a Island[after the spell resolved] then tapped the Mountain[same one] and 2 Islands to play Browbeat. Is this legal?)

#2If I attempt to play a spell at an illegal time, what happens?(Situation: I annonuced my attack phase, attacking with a Arrogant Wurm. He declares no blockers and damage is on the stack. I attempt to play a sorcery with flashback.[Reckless Charge] What happens?)

Thank you!



#1 - I hope you are kidding me.

#2 - if you accounced THEN tapped mana. Take spell back and untap lands. If you tapped THEN announced, take spell back, but find a new use for spell or take mana burn.

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posted November 19, 2002 09:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iiven   Click Here to Email iiven     
quote:
Originally posted by babywario:
I have two questions:
#1: Can you switch lands?(Situation: He played a Shade's Form, tapping a Mountain and two Swamps. He then untapped the Mountain and tapped a Island[after the spell resolved] then tapped the Mountain[same one] and 2 Islands to play Browbeat. Is this legal?)

#2If I attempt to play a spell at an illegal time, what happens?(Situation: I annonuced my attack phase, attacking with a Arrogant Wurm. He declares no blockers and damage is on the stack. I attempt to play a sorcery with flashback.[Reckless Charge] What happens?)

Thank you!


Really both of these come down to how anal your opponent is. And sadly, the further you get into a tournament the more anal they become

(ask lord of the goats about last weeks PTQ)

Basically after he played the shades form he is not allowed to switch mana. If your a nice guy you mightlet him, but many people would not.

The second question is almost hte same thing except you couldnt legally cast the reckless charge, so your left with tapped land. A lot of people would let you take this back, regardless of what order you tapped/announced your spell in, but they dont have to....

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posted November 19, 2002 12:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cky2k13   Click Here to Email cky2k13     
If i astral slide a creature of mine out of play and before my end of turn my opponent ray or revalations my slide... does the creature come back into play?


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posted November 19, 2002 12:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FyreStar   Click Here to Email FyreStar     
quote:
Originally posted by cky2k13:
If i astral slide a creature of mine out of play and before my end of turn my opponent ray or revalations my slide... does the creature come back into play?

Yes. Returning the creature to play is part of the same effect that removes it from the game, so it will happen even if the Slide leaves play before then.

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posted November 19, 2002 02:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for reinhart     
i'm attacking with a 5/5 trampler and my opponent blocks it with a 1/1

is there any way in magic where i can say either of these?

1. i assign zero to the blocker and all to its controller
2. i assign all of it to the blocker, even though the blocker's toughness is 1

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posted November 19, 2002 02:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FyreStar   Click Here to Email FyreStar     
quote:
Originally posted by reinhart:
i'm attacking with a 5/5 trampler and my opponent blocks it with a 1/1

is there any way in magic where i can say either of these?

1. i assign zero to the blocker and all to its controller
2. i assign all of it to the blocker, even though the blocker's toughness is 1


1. If the creature you are attacking with happens to be a Thorn Elemental enchanted with Primal Frenzy and Enfeeblement, sure. Otherwise, no. A creature must assign at least lethal damage to it's blocker to trample over.

2. Yes. You are allowed to assign all 5 damage from a trampling creature to the creature blocking it, regardless of the blocker's toughness.

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posted November 20, 2002 07:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mulder   Click Here to Email mulder     
I have an Abyss, a Morphling and a Serendib in play. During my upkeep, can I target the Morphling for the acrifice, and in response making him untargetable, so that both the Morphling and the Serendib would survive?


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posted November 20, 2002 07:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iiven   Click Here to Email iiven     
quote:
Originally posted by mulder:
I have an Abyss, a Morphling and a Serendib in play. During my upkeep, can I target the Morphling for the acrifice, and in response making him untargetable, so that both the Morphling and the Serendib would survive?

yes, this is the joy of abyss.

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posted November 21, 2002 04:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for the phoenix   Click Here to Email the phoenix     
Simple question: If I have an Oath of Druids and a Crater Hellion in play and, during my upkeep, I don't pay the upkeep of the Hellion, can I put Oath's effect on the stack, sack the Hellion, and then Oath? Thanks in advance for the help!

EDIT: Also, I believe that I can Misdirect a Duress to my opponent, but it fizzles upon resolution and nothing happens (so basically it gets countered). Correct?
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posted November 21, 2002 05:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FyreStar   Click Here to Email FyreStar     
quote:
Originally posted by the phoenix:
Simple question: If I have an Oath of Druids and a Crater Hellion in play and, during my upkeep, I don't pay the upkeep of the Hellion, can I put Oath's effect on the stack, sack the Hellion, and then Oath? Thanks in advance for the help!

EDIT: Also, I believe that I can Misdirect a Duress to my opponent, but it fizzles upon resolution and nothing happens (so basically it gets countered). Correct?



No, and no.

Oath of Druids only triggers if you have fewer creatures than your opponent at the beginning of your upkeep. If you have a Crater Hellion out (and your opponent only has one creature), Oath doesn't trigger at all, so failing to pay the Echo cost on Crater Hellion won't allow you to Oath up another creature.

You can target Duress with Misdirection, but when it resolves and you choose a new target, the only one you can choose is yourself. (Assuming a two player game in which your oppponent casts Duress.) This is because Duress says "target opponent". The caster of the spell only has one opponent, and therefore only one legal target for the spell.

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posted November 21, 2002 06:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for the phoenix   Click Here to Email the phoenix     
quote:
Originally posted by FyreStar:
You can target Duress with Misdirection, but when it resolves and you choose a new target, the only one you can choose is yourself. (Assuming a two player game in which your oppponent casts Duress.) This is because Duress says "target opponent". The caster of the spell only has one opponent, and therefore only one legal target for the spell.


But would I still have to discard a card? Who would get to choose the card?

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posted November 21, 2002 06:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FyreStar   Click Here to Email FyreStar     
quote:
Originally posted by the phoenix:
But would I still have to discard a card? Who would get to choose the card?

Yes, the spell would still resolve normally, letting your opponent pick a card from your hand for you to discard. Casting Misdirection would accomplish nothing.

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posted November 21, 2002 06:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for the phoenix   Click Here to Email the phoenix     
quote:
Originally posted by FyreStar:
Yes, the spell would still resolve normally, letting your opponent pick a card from your hand for you to discard. Casting Misdirection would accomplish nothing.


Hmmmmm...I guess the head judge has been wrong ALL this time. Thanks for clearing it up though.

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posted November 21, 2002 07:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for iiven   Click Here to Email iiven     
i noticed some cards were never assigned a creature type (just "Artifact Creature")

I thought all of these were backtracked and given a type, but i guess i was wrong.

Is it legal for me to name "Artifact Creature" with steely resolve?

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posted November 21, 2002 11:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabethebabe   Click Here to Email Gabethebabe     
quote:
Originally posted by iiven:
i noticed some cards were never assigned a creature type (just "Artifact Creature")

I thought all of these were backtracked and given a type, but i guess i was wrong.

Is it legal for me to name "Artifact Creature" with steely resolve?



NO. Artifact Creature is not a creature type. Creature types are found after the "-" (some artifact creatures have a type, e.g. Golem, some have no type e.g. Masti)


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posted November 22, 2002 04:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for babywario   Click Here to Email babywario     
Question 1: Can I counter a 1996 World Champion?

Question 2: Can I use Earthcraft and Squirrel Nest to make infinite Squirrels?

(Thanks! These are just to prove smoeone wrong. I'm not a moron!)

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posted November 22, 2002 08:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dotzcom13   Click Here to Email Dotzcom13     
quote:
Originally posted by babywario:
Question 1: Can I counter a 1996 World Champion?

Question 2: Can I use Earthcraft and Squirrel Nest to make infinite Squirrels?

(Thanks! These are just to prove smoeone wrong. I'm not a moron!)


1. Yes. Any creature that cant be the target of spells or abilities can be countered because it has not entered play and the cool powers dont take effect yet.

2. Yes, however, earthcraft is banned.

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posted November 22, 2002 08:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TunaBoo     
quote:
Originally posted by Dotzcom13:

2. Yes, however, earthcraft is banned.


Bullcrap

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posted November 23, 2002 01:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ruff_Ryder   Click Here to Email Ruff_Ryder     
On decimate, do I have to have 4 legal targets in order to play it and have it go off. Example: I target a legal land, creature, and enchanment that my opponent controls and there are no artifacts in play do the other 3 things get destroyed?

THANKS

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posted November 23, 2002 02:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mulder   Click Here to Email mulder     
quote:
Originally posted by Ruff_Ryder:
On decimate, do I have to have 4 legal targets in order to play it and have it go off. Example: I target a legal land, creature, and enchanment that my opponent controls and there are no artifacts in play do the other 3 things get destroyed?

THANKS



Nope, there have to be 4 legal targets. That's why Decimate isn't that good as it seems. This also means that when there are 4 targets, but one of them is removed, the Decimate will fizzle. For example: you target his creature, enchantment, land and artifact, he disenchants his own artifact in response, the Decimate fizzles.
Also, there must be 4 different permanents. You can't target an artifact creature twice.


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posted November 23, 2002 02:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mulder   Click Here to Email mulder     
quote:
Originally posted by Dotzcom13:

2. Yes, however, earthcraft is banned.


It is in extended, but not in type 1.

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posted November 23, 2002 07:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for da-odd-templar   Click Here to Email da-odd-templar     
quote:
Originally posted by mulder:

Nope, there have to be 4 legal targets. That's why Decimate isn't that good as it seems. This also means that when there are 4 targets, but one of them is removed, the Decimate will fizzle. For example: you target his creature, enchantment, land and artifact, he disenchants his own artifact in response, the Decimate fizzles.
Also, there must be 4 different permanents. You can't target an artifact creature twice.


Sorry but can't let that slide. With decimate (or any other card that has multiple targets) if one of the targets is removed or made invalid before resolution, the spell does as much as it can to the other targets. So if an artifact is disenchanted before decimate resolves, decimate kills the rest of the cards.

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posted November 23, 2002 05:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raging_force   Click Here to Email raging_force     
I got 2 questions
1.if i got 2 megrim in play

and my opponent discarded 1 card

would they lose 4 life or just 2 life?

2. If my opponent have 7 cards in his graveyard then i attack him with guiltfeeder.Then he didnt block it, but he use holy day. would he lose 7 life still? or it will prevent all the damage?

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posted November 23, 2002 07:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scopes13mtg   Click Here to Email Scopes13mtg     
1. lose 4 life

2. i don't know those cards


here's a dumb one... If my opponent responds to a spell with Grip of Amnesia and i have no cards in my graveyard, is the spell automatically countered, or can i remove my 0-card graveyard from the game?

edit: One more. What's the deal with infinite loops? If you find an unstoppable infinite loop, does the game end in a draw? And if you find an infinite loop that can be stopped, like earthcraft + squirrel nest, what happens?

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