posted December 08, 2002 01:18 PM         

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Originally posted by porky:
I have a Visara the dreadful in play can I attack and tap it for it's ability?

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posted December 08, 2002 01:30 PM            

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Originally posted by TunaBoo:
So how does mana drain and misdirection interact. Does anyone get mana drain mana - The mana drain caster? Or the misdirection caster? And which mana cost is considered, the final spell mana drain ends up countering? (but I guess you could make it tarket the midriection so the misdirection resolves first, and it is countered on resolution. But if you point the mana drain on a different spell on the stack, what happens).

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Player A casts Pale Moon. Player B, in fear of his life, desperately casts Mana Drain, targetting Pale Moon. Player A responds by casting Misdirection targetting Mana Drain.

Assuming there are no more effects, the stack starts to resolve. Misdirection resolves first, allowing Player A to choose a new target for Mana Drain. The only options are Pale Moon and Misdirection, so he wisely chooses to have Mana Drain target Misdirection. After Misdirection does it's job, it is removed from the stack. Then, Mana Drain starts to resolve and finds that it's target (Misdirection) is no longer there. So, Mana Drain fizzles (countered upon resolution, yadda yadda yadda). Since Mana Drain was countered, nobody gets the mana, and Pale Moon wreaks all sorts of havoc.

So, in short, a Drain Misdirected to target Misdirection does nothing. Also, only the controller of Mana Drain can ever get the mana. If you Misdirect it to successfully counter a spell that is lower on the stack than Mana Drain, the caster of the Mana Drain would get mana equal to the countered spell's mana cost.

Other randomly important note about Mana Drain: If you Drain something, it gives you the mana on your next main phase. This means that if you Drain something during your first main phase (before you attack), then you MUST get the mana during your second main phase.

posted December 08, 2002 02:21 PM         

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Originally posted by FyreStar:

Other randomly important note about Mana Drain: If you Drain something, it gives you the mana on your next main phase. This means that if you Drain something during your first main phase (before you attack), then you MUST get the mana during your second main phase.

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Ya, that is why if I have no combat to do, I often start a counter war during my second main phase. Works much better.

Thanks for clearing it up. I can now mana drain pale moon in peace.

posted December 08, 2002 04:24 PM            

And, if the Slide has to be in play.....what if I play a Slide later in the same game, would it trigger, thus retruning the creature removed earlier?

Thanks in advance.

posted December 08, 2002 04:53 PM            

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Originally posted by elambert24:
If I 'slide' a creature out during a main phase with Astral Slide....will it trigger at the end of turn, if someone has Upheavaled? or does the Slide need to be in play to trigger the return effect?

And, if the Slide has to be in play.....what if I play a Slide later in the same game, would it trigger, thus retruning the creature removed earlier?

Thanks in advance.

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Astral Slide does not need to be in play to return the creature it removed. When you cycle a card, Astral Slide simply sets up an effect thats says "remove this card, bring it back at end of turn ". That effect then exists independently of the Astral Slide card.

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posted December 09, 2002 08:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Denizen:
If i have false cure in hand along with skyshroud cutter (or some other card with alt. cc that has gain life for opponent) do i anounce the cutter first, to go on stack and then false cure for the little combo to work... or does it really matter?

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It does matter. What you need to do is play and resolve False Cure before you announce Skyshroud Cutter.

Having somebody gain life by announcing Skyshroud Cutter is a cost, and therefore does not use the stack.

So, here's what you would do: Play False Cure, let it resolve. We'll assume your opponent is at 20 life. You announce Skyshroud Cutter with the alternate casting cost, bringing your opponent's life total to 25. Skyshroud Cutter goes on the stack. Once it is on the stack, the ability created by False Cure triggers and goes on the stack. When it resolves, your opponent loses 10 life, bringing him to 15. Then Skyshroud Cutter resolves, and you put it into play.

posted December 09, 2002 09:11 PM            

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Originally posted by DaDs Mom:
what happpens when you sharazard and in the subgame u burnning wish the sharazard from the other game and when u finish the subgame what happens??? there used to be a sharazard in ur graveyard, now there isn't... hmmm can some1 give me a ruling?

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First, a few points. When you cast Shahrazad and go into the sub-game, the Shahrazad card is still on the stack (In the Stack zone) in the main game.

So, you enter the sub-game and cast Burning Wish, getting the Shahrazad you just cast in the main game. That is a legal play. The Burning Wish would go into the Main-game Stack when it takes the Shahrazad out. The card you wish for simply leaves the Stack of the main game and enters the sub-game in your hand. At the end of the sub-game, the card you wished for is shuffled back into the sub-game library along with the other sub-game cards. Then the Burning Wish is removed from the main-game stack, and it ends up the same place Shahrazad would have if you hadn't wished for it. (Note: For this whole situation, if you had another Shahrazad in the graveyard already, you could wish for that just the same. Just swap the word Graveyard for Stack in the above explanation.)

P.S. For asking a Shahrazad question, you probably have several Norse assassins heading your way. I'd watch out.

posted December 10, 2002 12:51 AM            

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The subgame is part of the main game. [Oracle 1998/07/01]

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P.S. I have already dispatched my Norse assassin.

posted December 10, 2002 09:54 AM            

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Originally posted by gzeiger:
Actually, the subgame is considered a part of the main game, and cards there are not legal Wish targets. Crystal Keep has the most up-to-date specific ruling, only four years old:

P.S. I have already dispatched my Norse assassin.

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This situation came up with the DCI Netreps a couple months ago, and Jeff Jordan made some unofficial rulings on the subject. If you're interested, look here:

http://oracle.wizards.com/scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind0207D&L=dcijudge-l&P=R1565

It is the third "Long answer". If I recall correctly, Rune Horvik backed him up on this later. If you want, I can dig that up from the archives. Since it was unofficial, I guess nobody's bothered to update CrystalKeep rulings made before the Wishes were. Not that it really matters.

posted December 10, 2002 11:52 AM            

That ruling would have the extremely unfortunate effect of making Shahrazad actually functional, because it restores the old Tormod's Crypt trick (cards removed from the subgame remain removed from the main game). I can't imagine that would stand.

posted December 10, 2002 05:49 PM            

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Originally posted by AEsports024:
What happens when a fog bank blocks a creature with trample?

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All you have to do is assign two damage to the Fog Bank, and the rest of the damage can trample over. An 8/8 creature with trample would still be able to deal six to the defending player.

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Originally posted by gzeiger:
That ruling would have the extremely unfortunate effect of making Shahrazad actually functional, because it restores the old Tormod's Crypt trick (cards removed from the subgame remain removed from the main game). I can't imagine that would stand.

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It does seem odd that they would change that particular ruling. Hopefully they'll clarify it whenever they make it "official".