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Urza_The_Artificer
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posted October 14, 2002 08:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Urza_The_Artificer   Click Here to Email Urza_The_Artificer     
Does an artifact creature that also has a creature type, count both ways for Coat of Arms?
Example Copper-leaf Angel is an Artifact Creature - Angel does it give angels and artifact creatures +1/+1?
-If so, would it give Artifact Creature - Golems +1/+1 also?
-If not, would it give plain Artifact Creatures +1/+1?


TunaBoo
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posted October 14, 2002 09:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TunaBoo     
Artifact creature isn't a creature type AFAIK


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posted October 14, 2002 10:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FyreStar   Click Here to Email FyreStar     
quote:
Originally posted by iccarus:
Now, does the ability from the courier go away at the end of the turn when the mistform changes back into its original type? or does the courier ability only check for type when you tap it and it's effect stays on the wizard changed back to mistform?

As long as the Mistform creature is a Wizard when the ability is played and resolved, it will have that bonus as long as the Courier remains tapped.

quote:
Originally posted by Urza_The_Artificer:
Does an artifact creature that also has a creature type, count both ways for Coat of Arms?
Example Copper-leaf Angel is an Artifact Creature - Angel does it give angels and artifact creatures +1/+1?
-If so, would it give Artifact Creature - Golems +1/+1 also?
-If not, would it give plain Artifact Creatures +1/+1?

As TunaBoo said, Artifact Creature is not a creature type. From the Comp Rules:

"212.2a Creature subtypes are always a single word and are listed after "Creature," separated by a long dash: "Creature — Minotaur," "Artifact Creature — Golem Legend," etc. Creature subtypes are one word each and are also called "creature types." Creature cards may have multiple creature types."

For the older cards, just check the errata.

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posted October 14, 2002 10:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StriderHry   Click Here to Email StriderHry     
Does Grinnign Totem stop crits from cycling?

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posted October 14, 2002 10:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for da-odd-templar   Click Here to Email da-odd-templar     
Cursed Totem (the card you're referring to) only stops activated abilities of creatures. When a creature with cycling is in a player's hand, it's not a creature but a creature card. Thus the totem does not stop a krosan tusker from giving you land and a draw.

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posted October 15, 2002 07:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for xingchen   Click Here to Email xingchen     
Can you tap for mana after you've announced a spell? I've heard you can, but that's better to tap for mana first and then announce a spell, but why?

-Xing

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posted October 15, 2002 10:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iiven   Click Here to Email iiven     
quote:
Originally posted by xingchen:
Can you tap for mana after you've announced a spell? I've heard you can, but that's better to tap for mana first and then announce a spell, but why?

-Xing


You can tap before or after announcing the spell. Usually i would announce the spell first, while you can not respond to tapping for mana you can respond to damage from a painland or something like that. So as unlikely as it may be, you could tap out to play a sorcery, take a pain, and then get orim's chanted ni response to the pain.

Wouldnt that suck.

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posted October 15, 2002 10:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FyreStar   Click Here to Email FyreStar     
quote:
Originally posted by iiven:
You can tap before or after announcing the spell. Usually i would announce the spell first, while you can not respond to tapping for mana you can respond to damage from a painland or something like that. So as unlikely as it may be, you could tap out to play a sorcery, take a pain, and then get orim's chanted ni response to the pain.

Actually, that can only happen if the land involved is a City of Brass. The Pain Lands' abilities are mana abilities, which don't use the stack. City of Brass, however, has a triggerd ability that must resolve before you can cast a sorcery.

xingchen -

Yes, you can announce a spell and then pay costs involved with it. The purpose for doing this deals with tournament play. If the Rules Enforcement Level is high enough, you won't be permitted any sort of take-back if you announce a spell incorrectly. For example, suppose you forgot that Upheaval was a sorcery, and tried to play it during your opponent's turn. You tap your lands for mana and then announce Upheaval. Then somebody points out your mistake, and the game rewinds to just before your illegal action; at which point you still have 6 mana in your mana pool. If you can't use it, you are forced to take mana burn. However, if you announced Upheaval and then tapped lands to pay for it, when the game rewinds itself, it goes back to a point before you tapped your lands. Hence, no floating mana, no mana burn.

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posted October 15, 2002 06:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for QuikSilver   Click Here to Email QuikSilver     
Can you use opposition on iridescent angel?


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posted October 15, 2002 06:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for elambert24   Click Here to Email elambert24     
quote:
Originally posted by QuikSilver:
Can you use opposition on iridescent angel?

No......it's not a legal target as it has Protection from all colors.

HTH

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posted October 16, 2002 05:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sawa_boon   Click Here to Email sawa_boon     
oppositions can't work on your creatures if u have spellbane centaur in play also


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posted October 16, 2002 08:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Malice240   Click Here to Email Malice240     
If i have a krosan restorer(threshold) / wirewood lodge in play. Can i tap the lodge to untap the restorer, and in response tap the restorer to untap the land?

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posted October 16, 2002 08:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FyreStar   Click Here to Email FyreStar     
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Originally posted by Malice240:
If i have a krosan restorer(threshold) / wirewood lodge in play. Can i tap the lodge to untap the restorer, and in response tap the restorer to untap the land?

No. Krosan Restorer is not an Elf.

If you could find some way of turning the Restorer into an elf, that combo would work, giving you as much mana as you like. Or you could use a Seeker of Skybreak in addition to the Lodge and Restorer.

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hyghdos
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posted October 16, 2002 11:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hyghdos     
Card Name: Divert
Mana Cost: U
Type & Class: Instant
Card Text: Change the target of target spell with a single target unless that spell's controller pays 2.

Card Name: Wrath of God
Mana Cost: 2WW
Type & Class: Sorcery
Card Text: Destroy all creatures. They can't be regenerated.

Is it possible to Divert the Wrath of God on, say, a Basking Rootwalla ?

Thanks.

FyreStar
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posted October 16, 2002 11:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FyreStar   Click Here to Email FyreStar     
quote:
Originally posted by hyghdos:
Card Name: Divert
Mana Cost: U
Type & Class: Instant
Card Text: Change the target of target spell with a single target unless that spell's controller pays 2.

Card Name: Wrath of God
Mana Cost: 2WW
Type & Class: Sorcery
Card Text: Destroy all creatures. They can't be regenerated.

Is it possible to Divert the Wrath of God on, say, a Basking Rootwalla ?

Thanks.


No. Wrath of God does not have a target, so it cannot be Diverted.


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hyghdos
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posted October 16, 2002 11:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hyghdos     
Ok. This may sound strange, but how can Wrath of God destroy all creatures if it doesn't target any creature ? Where in the rulebook can I find some info on this mechanism ?


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posted October 16, 2002 12:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Trag3dy   Click Here to Email Trag3dy     
~~ can i use quiet speculation to fetch wonder and anger?~~ This is derrived from the assumption that the headstone symbol means flashback?

THanks alot~~

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posted October 16, 2002 12:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FyreStar   Click Here to Email FyreStar     
quote:
Originally posted by hyghdos:
Ok. This may sound strange, but how can Wrath of God destroy all creatures if it doesn't target any creature ? Where in the rulebook can I find some info on this mechanism ?

A spell or ability only has a target if it says "target" on the card (or errata), or the spell is a local enchantment (i.e. an enchant creature spell, or enchant land, etc). Wrath of God simply sets up an effect that destroys all creatures, whereas Terror picks one specific(target) creature and destroys it. If it helps, think of it like a chess game; Terror picks up a piece and takes it off the board, while Wrath of God sweeps all the pieces onto the floor.

Look at rules 401.2 and 214.8c in the Comprehensive Rules for the specifics.

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Originally posted by Trag3dy:
~~ can i use quiet speculation to fetch wonder and anger?~~ This is derrived from the assumption that the headstone symbol means flashback?

No. The headstone symbol only means that the card is important somehow while it is in the graveyard. Quiet Speculation can only fetch cards that actually have the Flashback ability written in their text boxes.

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Trag3dy
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posted October 16, 2002 12:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Trag3dy   Click Here to Email Trag3dy     
alright~~
thanks alot FyreStar~~


hyghdos
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posted October 16, 2002 12:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hyghdos     
Thank you very much !


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posted October 16, 2002 02:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kLrMoWsE   Click Here to Email kLrMoWsE     
are foreign cards tournament legal?

I have these millstones; one in spanish, and the other in french, I think...

-Vhati-il-dal-
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posted October 16, 2002 02:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for -Vhati-il-dal-   Click Here to Email -Vhati-il-dal-     
Yes, all cards from all editions printed in any language are legal as long as the English-version is legal.


Urza_The_Artificer
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posted October 16, 2002 05:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Urza_The_Artificer   Click Here to Email Urza_The_Artificer     
I looked on the errata list and Karn's ability changes them to 'Artifact Creature's.
Do these not have creature types?

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posted October 16, 2002 06:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FyreStar   Click Here to Email FyreStar     
quote:
Originally posted by Urza_The_Artificer:
I looked on the errata list and Karn's ability changes them to 'Artifact Creature's.
Do these not have creature types?

No, they do not have creature types. Animated permanents don't have a creature type unless the effect that animated them specifies one.

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AltronDragon
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posted October 16, 2002 08:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AltronDragon   Click Here to Email AltronDragon     
If I have a sorcery w/ flashback can I only play it at sorcery speed or is it "instant"?


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