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Topic: Rulings thread #13, Post all rulings questions here
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Urza_The_Artificer Member
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posted October 14, 2002 08:40 PM
Does an artifact creature that also has a creature type, count both ways for Coat of Arms? Example Copper-leaf Angel is an Artifact Creature - Angel does it give angels and artifact creatures +1/+1? -If so, would it give Artifact Creature - Golems +1/+1 also? -If not, would it give plain Artifact Creatures +1/+1?
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TunaBoo Member
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posted October 14, 2002 09:28 PM
Artifact creature isn't a creature type AFAIK
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FyreStar Member
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posted October 14, 2002 10:32 PM
quote: Originally posted by iccarus: Now, does the ability from the courier go away at the end of the turn when the mistform changes back into its original type? or does the courier ability only check for type when you tap it and it's effect stays on the wizard changed back to mistform?
As long as the Mistform creature is a Wizard when the ability is played and resolved, it will have that bonus as long as the Courier remains tapped. quote: Originally posted by Urza_The_Artificer: Does an artifact creature that also has a creature type, count both ways for Coat of Arms? Example Copper-leaf Angel is an Artifact Creature - Angel does it give angels and artifact creatures +1/+1? -If so, would it give Artifact Creature - Golems +1/+1 also? -If not, would it give plain Artifact Creatures +1/+1?
As TunaBoo said, Artifact Creature is not a creature type. From the Comp Rules: "212.2a Creature subtypes are always a single word and are listed after "Creature," separated by a long dash: "Creature — Minotaur," "Artifact Creature — Golem Legend," etc. Creature subtypes are one word each and are also called "creature types." Creature cards may have multiple creature types." For the older cards, just check the errata. __________________ You can't cheat an honest man.
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StriderHry Member
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posted October 14, 2002 10:44 PM
Does Grinnign Totem stop crits from cycling?__________________ ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS WANT MORE MORPHLINGSNumber of People Schooled By Me Morphligns in Magic: 48 " You better get ready to bust out your birth certificate, cause I'm about to show you who your real daddy is." Master of Draw-Go and all blue control variants.
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da-odd-templar Member
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posted October 14, 2002 10:54 PM
Cursed Totem (the card you're referring to) only stops activated abilities of creatures. When a creature with cycling is in a player's hand, it's not a creature but a creature card. Thus the totem does not stop a krosan tusker from giving you land and a draw.__________________ Ari - We'll miss you.
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xingchen Member
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posted October 15, 2002 07:31 AM
Can you tap for mana after you've announced a spell? I've heard you can, but that's better to tap for mana first and then announce a spell, but why?-Xing
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iiven Member
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posted October 15, 2002 10:05 AM
quote: Originally posted by xingchen: Can you tap for mana after you've announced a spell? I've heard you can, but that's better to tap for mana first and then announce a spell, but why?-Xing
You can tap before or after announcing the spell. Usually i would announce the spell first, while you can not respond to tapping for mana you can respond to damage from a painland or something like that. So as unlikely as it may be, you could tap out to play a sorcery, take a pain, and then get orim's chanted ni response to the pain. Wouldnt that suck. __________________ Its not a weeble, it will fall. I like my salad... tossed.
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FyreStar Member
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posted October 15, 2002 10:51 AM
quote: Originally posted by iiven: You can tap before or after announcing the spell. Usually i would announce the spell first, while you can not respond to tapping for mana you can respond to damage from a painland or something like that. So as unlikely as it may be, you could tap out to play a sorcery, take a pain, and then get orim's chanted ni response to the pain.
Actually, that can only happen if the land involved is a City of Brass. The Pain Lands' abilities are mana abilities, which don't use the stack. City of Brass, however, has a triggerd ability that must resolve before you can cast a sorcery. xingchen - Yes, you can announce a spell and then pay costs involved with it. The purpose for doing this deals with tournament play. If the Rules Enforcement Level is high enough, you won't be permitted any sort of take-back if you announce a spell incorrectly. For example, suppose you forgot that Upheaval was a sorcery, and tried to play it during your opponent's turn. You tap your lands for mana and then announce Upheaval. Then somebody points out your mistake, and the game rewinds to just before your illegal action; at which point you still have 6 mana in your mana pool. If you can't use it, you are forced to take mana burn. However, if you announced Upheaval and then tapped lands to pay for it, when the game rewinds itself, it goes back to a point before you tapped your lands. Hence, no floating mana, no mana burn. __________________ You can't cheat an honest man.
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QuikSilver Member
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posted October 15, 2002 06:35 PM
Can you use opposition on iridescent angel?
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elambert24 Member
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posted October 15, 2002 06:44 PM
quote: Originally posted by QuikSilver: Can you use opposition on iridescent angel?
No......it's not a legal target as it has Protection from all colors. HTH __________________ Check out my auctions Owner of the 2nd EVER signed Haunting Echoes
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sawa_boon Member
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posted October 16, 2002 05:58 AM
oppositions can't work on your creatures if u have spellbane centaur in play also
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Malice240 Member
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posted October 16, 2002 08:48 AM
If i have a krosan restorer(threshold) / wirewood lodge in play. Can i tap the lodge to untap the restorer, and in response tap the restorer to untap the land?__________________ Existance is futile.
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FyreStar Member
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posted October 16, 2002 08:58 AM
quote: Originally posted by Malice240: If i have a krosan restorer(threshold) / wirewood lodge in play. Can i tap the lodge to untap the restorer, and in response tap the restorer to untap the land?
No. Krosan Restorer is not an Elf. If you could find some way of turning the Restorer into an elf, that combo would work, giving you as much mana as you like. Or you could use a Seeker of Skybreak in addition to the Lodge and Restorer. __________________ You can't cheat an honest man.
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hyghdos Member
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posted October 16, 2002 11:01 AM
Card Name: Divert Mana Cost: U Type & Class: Instant Card Text: Change the target of target spell with a single target unless that spell's controller pays 2. Card Name: Wrath of God Mana Cost: 2WW Type & Class: Sorcery Card Text: Destroy all creatures. They can't be regenerated. Is it possible to Divert the Wrath of God on, say, a Basking Rootwalla ? Thanks.
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FyreStar Member
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posted October 16, 2002 11:14 AM
quote: Originally posted by hyghdos: Card Name: Divert Mana Cost: U Type & Class: Instant Card Text: Change the target of target spell with a single target unless that spell's controller pays 2. Card Name: Wrath of God Mana Cost: 2WW Type & Class: Sorcery Card Text: Destroy all creatures. They can't be regenerated. Is it possible to Divert the Wrath of God on, say, a Basking Rootwalla ? Thanks.
No. Wrath of God does not have a target, so it cannot be Diverted.
__________________ You can't cheat an honest man.
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hyghdos Member
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posted October 16, 2002 11:23 AM
Ok. This may sound strange, but how can Wrath of God destroy all creatures if it doesn't target any creature ? Where in the rulebook can I find some info on this mechanism ?
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Trag3dy Member
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posted October 16, 2002 12:05 PM
~~ can i use quiet speculation to fetch wonder and anger?~~ This is derrived from the assumption that the headstone symbol means flashback? THanks alot~~ Trag3dy
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FyreStar Member
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posted October 16, 2002 12:16 PM
quote: Originally posted by hyghdos: Ok. This may sound strange, but how can Wrath of God destroy all creatures if it doesn't target any creature ? Where in the rulebook can I find some info on this mechanism ?
A spell or ability only has a target if it says "target" on the card (or errata), or the spell is a local enchantment (i.e. an enchant creature spell, or enchant land, etc). Wrath of God simply sets up an effect that destroys all creatures, whereas Terror picks one specific(target) creature and destroys it. If it helps, think of it like a chess game; Terror picks up a piece and takes it off the board, while Wrath of God sweeps all the pieces onto the floor. Look at rules 401.2 and 214.8c in the Comprehensive Rules for the specifics. quote: Originally posted by Trag3dy: ~~ can i use quiet speculation to fetch wonder and anger?~~ This is derrived from the assumption that the headstone symbol means flashback?
No. The headstone symbol only means that the card is important somehow while it is in the graveyard. Quiet Speculation can only fetch cards that actually have the Flashback ability written in their text boxes. __________________ You can't cheat an honest man.
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Trag3dy Member
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posted October 16, 2002 12:31 PM
alright~~ thanks alot FyreStar~~
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hyghdos Member
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posted October 16, 2002 12:33 PM
Thank you very much !
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kLrMoWsE New Member
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posted October 16, 2002 02:04 PM
are foreign cards tournament legal?I have these millstones; one in spanish, and the other in french, I think...
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-Vhati-il-dal- Member
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posted October 16, 2002 02:37 PM
Yes, all cards from all editions printed in any language are legal as long as the English-version is legal.
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Urza_The_Artificer Member
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posted October 16, 2002 05:43 PM
I looked on the errata list and Karn's ability changes them to 'Artifact Creature's. Do these not have creature types?__________________ "It has been my honor to improve on Thran's original design. Perhaps history will remember me in some small part for my work." - Urza, in his apprenticeship
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FyreStar Member
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posted October 16, 2002 06:01 PM
quote: Originally posted by Urza_The_Artificer: I looked on the errata list and Karn's ability changes them to 'Artifact Creature's. Do these not have creature types?
No, they do not have creature types. Animated permanents don't have a creature type unless the effect that animated them specifies one. __________________ You can't cheat an honest man.
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AltronDragon Member
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posted October 16, 2002 08:57 PM
If I have a sorcery w/ flashback can I only play it at sorcery speed or is it "instant"?
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