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Topic: Rulings thread #13, Post all rulings questions here
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Avatar of Might Member
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posted September 28, 2002 11:52 AM
In addition to this thread, here are several other resources that can help you:Crystalkeep has got an extensive rulings search, just type in the card in question and in many cases your question is answered there. The same search is accessible through MOTL (Drop-down site navigation box, top right corner) Onslaught FAQ You can find rulings about specific abilities here Anybody new to the game might want to check out the comprehensive rulebook Tournament rules can be found here __________________ -Alcohol and calculus don't mix. Never drink and derive. -We had creative differences: I was creative and he was different -If you believe everything you read, better not read. AIM: DNAforensics eMail: dna@sfsu.edu
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mulder Member
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posted September 28, 2002 12:35 PM
There are two cards in play, one says "at the beginning of your upkeep, do this or that. The other card says: DURING your upkeep, do this or that. Can I choose to let the effect from the second card resolve first?
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FyreStar Member
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posted September 28, 2002 02:02 PM
I think that all cards which trigger automatically 'during your upkeep' have been issued errata to make them say 'At the beginning of your upkeep, do this' instead. (Example, The Abyss). That said, if you do control two abilities triggering at the same time, you can choose the order in which you add them to the stack. So, you can make it resolve when you want. On the other hand, if the card you're referring to has an activated (voluntary) ability and can only be played during your upkeep, you can respond to the first card's trigger with the activated ability to make it resolve first.
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dragon172 Member
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posted September 29, 2002 12:38 AM
If I have a Phyrexian Tyranny in play and I cast a Time Spiral, do I get to untap my land before the Tyranny damage resolves so I can prevent it?
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FyreStar Member
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posted September 29, 2002 08:56 AM
quote: Originally posted by dragon172: If I have a Phyrexian Tyranny in play and I cast a Time Spiral, do I get to untap my land before the Tyranny damage resolves so I can prevent it?
Yes. You untap lands as part of the resolution of Time Spiral. The Phyrexian Tyranny effects don't go on the stack until Time Spiral has finished resolving, so you'll have at least six lands to pay for the Tyranny. Also, it isn't damage, its loss of life.
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jasongerke Member
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posted September 29, 2002 09:12 AM
Spirit Mirror has the ability "0-Destroy target reflection."1)If i change my opponents creatures to creature type 'reflection' with Unnatural Selection can i destroy them with Spirit Mirror? 2)If i change the word reflection on Spirit Mirror to 'land' with the onslaught card Artificial Evolution, can i destroy an animated land, or any land for that matter?
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FyreStar Member
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posted September 29, 2002 09:37 AM
quote: Originally posted by jasongerke: Spirit Mirror has the ability "0-Destroy target reflection."1)If i change my opponents creatures to creature type 'reflection' with Unnatural Selection can i destroy them with Spirit Mirror? 2)If i change the word reflection on Spirit Mirror to 'land' with the onslaught card Artificial Evolution, can i destroy an animated land, or any land for that matter?
1) Yes. 2) No; you can't choose 'land' as a creature type because that word is used in Magic terminology. __________________ You can't cheat an honest man.
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Shadow88 Member
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posted September 29, 2002 11:20 AM
Where can I find a list of the banned/restricted cards for type 1, 1.5, and 2?__________________ "Where hope has no champion, evil rules all" Castle Sengir
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FyreStar Member
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posted September 29, 2002 01:29 PM
You can use the link that Avatar of Might posted at the beginning of this thread to take you to the Tournament Rules. There is a link on that page that takes you to the banned/restricted lists.__________________ You can't cheat an honest man.
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Eron the Relentless Member
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posted September 29, 2002 03:09 PM
I want to know exactly how an Oath deck plays out when using Gaea's Blessing. I have seen the deck played countless times where when someone is oathing they reveal a Blessing from their deck and continue oathing until they find a creature and then resolve the Blessing.My argument is that when the Blessing is revealed it should take effect immediatly. This doesn't seem to change the play of the game much at first, but in actuality it makes a big difference. When you activate the Blessing can determine what creatures are still left in your deck and alter how many cards end up back in your library and in your graveyard. A good example would be when I played my friend's Oath deck. I told him my side and he stated his, but essentially- if he decided to pass up the Blessing and resolve the Oath first, wouldn't he loose the game if he hit his last card and it wasn't a creature? Does he even have this choice? Someone please help me... it isn't too big of a deal but has created some heated argument... and lmk if you need me to explain further. __________________ The Alternative Modern Rock radio station I work at: www.wstbfm.com ~Poopykins, Poopykins, Meow! Meow! Meow!!~ Marron! Collector of: FE Fungus, all Saproling cards, Chub Toads, Giant Albatross, Karoo Meerkats, Ovinomancer, and Sheep Tokens!
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oorza2001 Member
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posted September 29, 2002 03:13 PM
The way i understood it to work was this: blah, blah, blah.... Oath of Druid's is resolving.... Gaea's Blessing is put on the stack.... it can't resolve until Oath is done resovling. Oath resolves. Blessing resolves.
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FyreStar Member
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posted September 29, 2002 03:18 PM
quote: Originally posted by Eron the Relentless: I want to know exactly how an Oath deck plays out when using Gaea's Blessing. I have seen the deck played countless times where when someone is oathing they reveal a Blessing from their deck and continue oathing until they find a creature and then resolve the Blessing.My argument is that when the Blessing is revealed it should take effect immediatly.
Sorry, but you are incorrect. Gaea's Blessing's ability is called a triggered ability. When it is moved from the library to the graveyard, its ability is added to the stack. However, nothing can be added to or removed from the stack until the current ability (in this case, the Oath effect) has finished resolving. It waits until the Oath effect fully resolves (which means until they find a creature or until they go through their entire library), and then goes on the stack and resolves, causing the reshuffle. __________________ You can't cheat an honest man.
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Malchar Member
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posted September 29, 2002 04:12 PM
Another aid would be to read the Official Magic Rules Text. I have seen a lot of questions about when costs are paid, when targets are chosen, and when spells are put on the stack. If you read the text, it explains everything rather simply. I would also like to know how Oath works, if anyone actually knows. I play mostly T2 and I started recently, so I have no idea what cards even go in an Oath deck.
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Raatcharch Member
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posted September 30, 2002 10:23 AM
I have Ixidor, Reality Shaper out and a Morphed creature. The creature is really that "Mindstab-Thrull" zombie who's named eludes me. Haunted Cadaver, maybe? Anyway, here's my question:I attack, they declare no blockers. I put damage on the stack, then pay the zombie's morph cost. Since the card delt damage when it had no name, can I sacrifice it now and still force my opponent to discard 3? __________________ Founder of the SAVE TYPE 1.5 FOUNDATION! Apply for membership today! 1) Babe Ruth is the President of the United States. 2) The President of the United States is from Indiana Therefore: 3) Babe Ruth is from Indiana Trade me your DREAM THRUSHES and Alpha/Beta FLIGHT
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FyreStar Member
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posted September 30, 2002 10:52 AM
quote: Originally posted by Raatcharch: I have Ixidor, Reality Shaper out and a Morphed creature. The creature is really that "Mindstab-Thrull" zombie who's named eludes me. Haunted Cadaver, maybe? Anyway, here's my question:I attack, they declare no blockers. I put damage on the stack, then pay the zombie's morph cost. Since the card delt damage when it had no name, can I sacrifice it now and still force my opponent to discard 3?
Yes. As long as the creature is un-morphed when combat damage resolves, its ability will trigger. Placing combat damage on the stack and dealing damage are two different things.
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da-odd-templar Member
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posted October 02, 2002 12:18 AM
This reply has a dual purpose; 1 - upping it to the top of the forum, and 2 - turning on post notification.__________________ Ari - We'll miss you.
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Dotzcom13 Member
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posted October 02, 2002 01:54 PM
if i memory lapse my opponents spell and he has a standstill in play, who draws the cards?
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Boogers Member
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posted October 02, 2002 02:06 PM
If the Standstill was in play when your opponent announced his spell, you would first have to let the Standstill trigger resolve off of the stack. Then, with his spell still on the stack, you can cast somethign targetting it. If you put the STandstill trigger on the stack and play another spell your opponent draws the cards.__________________ "Save me Jebus!!" -Homer Simpson "Life is short and hard, like a bodybuilding midget." AIM Handle: CowLaunchr
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pepsiinacan Member
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posted October 02, 2002 02:08 PM
IF i have a doomed necromancer with a patteren of rebirth on it and i sacrifce the necromancer and bring back the worldgager dragon from my graveyard doest the creature i get with the patteren of rebith get removed from the game as well
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FyreStar Member
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posted October 02, 2002 04:25 PM
quote: Originally posted by pepsiinacan: IF i have a doomed necromancer with a patteren of rebirth on it and i sacrifce the necromancer and bring back the worldgager dragon from my graveyard doest the creature i get with the patteren of rebith get removed from the game as well
Yes. Pattern of Rebirth triggers before the Necromancer's ability resolves, so you'd put a copy into play and then bring the Worldgorger back. __________________ You can't cheat an honest man.
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carnage Member
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posted October 02, 2002 05:57 PM
Ok 2 quick questions Ok I play flame burst on my opponent and i have to flame burst in my graveyard. My oppontent plays grip of amnesia and i remove my graveyard, how much damage do i deal 2 or 4?My opponent has a protection from creatures creature in play and i sac dwarven scorcher to deal it damage, does the pro-creatures work because the damage comes from a creature? Thanks for the help __________________ Which would you like first, the insult or the injury? I collect Serra Avatar's so if you have any please lmk thanks!!
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FyreStar Member
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posted October 02, 2002 06:09 PM
quote: Originally posted by carnage: Ok 2 quick questions Ok I play flame burst on my opponent and i have to flame burst in my graveyard. My oppontent plays grip of amnesia and i remove my graveyard, how much damage do i deal 2 or 4?My opponent has a protection from creatures creature in play and i sac dwarven scorcher to deal it damage, does the pro-creatures work because the damage comes from a creature? Thanks for the help
1) Flame Burst will deal 2 damage. It counts copies in the graveyard when it resolves. 2) Dwarven Scorcher cannot target creatures that have 'Protection from Creatures'. Not only will the Scorcher fail to do damage, but its also illegal to even announce the Pro-creatures guy as a target.
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gzeiger Member
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posted October 02, 2002 10:52 PM
One more note on Oath of Druids: the cards aren't even put into your graveyard until Oath finishes resolving. They are merely revealed, in order, from the top of your library.As a general rule, the only abilities that can have any effect during the resolution of another spell or ability are those which use the word instead, or abilities which produce mana. __________________ DCI certified Level 1 judge gzeiger@hotmail.com
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gzeiger Member
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posted October 02, 2002 10:54 PM
And on an almost-relevant note, I just made Level 2 __________________ DCI certified Level 2 judge gzeiger@hotmail.com
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da-odd-templar Member
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posted October 03, 2002 12:17 AM
quote: Originally posted by gzeiger: And on an almost-relevant note, I just made Level 2
Awesome. __________________ Ari - We'll miss you.
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