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Topic: Rulings thread #13, Post all rulings questions here
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FyreStar Member
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posted October 20, 2002 08:59 PM
quote: Originally posted by trekazek: If I have 2 Explorations out does it mean I can drop 3 lands per turn or just 2 still? Just asking because I never used the card before.
Two Explorations means you may play up to three lands per turn. __________________ You can't cheat an honest man.
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AsheFire Member
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posted October 21, 2002 06:59 AM
This came up in a draft tournament, but because we were squeezed for time, we didn't call a judge over. My opponent has a wellwisher out and I have a wirewood herald out. I have crown of suspicion in my hand. Can I play the crown of suspicion on his wellwisher and sacrifice it to also kill off my wirewood herald (to search for a better elf)? Or does the crown of suspicion go straight to the graveyard along with his wellwisher?__________________ AsheFire
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mulder Member
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posted October 21, 2002 08:17 AM
2 questions:Can you counter your own spells? (to draw three cards from an Arcane Denial) My opponent has Collective Restraint in play. If he has a Tundra, do I have to pay mana to attack? Collective Restraint says basic land type, and Tundra doesn't say basic plain or basic island. Or are plains always basic land types? thanks!
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iiven Member
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posted October 21, 2002 08:37 AM
quote: Originally posted by mulder: 2 questions:Can you counter your own spells? (to draw three cards from an Arcane Denial) My opponent has Collective Restraint in play. If he has a Tundra, do I have to pay mana to attack? Collective Restraint says basic land type, and Tundra doesn't say basic plain or basic island. Or are plains always basic land types? thanks!
Yes, i use to run a blue black deck and late game i would arcane my moxes for some quick card advantage. And tundra counts toward restraint twice, because it does count as a plains and an island for all intensive purposes. __________________ Its not a weeble, it will fall. I like my salad... tossed.MTGO Name = Mutalition Come look me up some time, im looking for 7th foils for my set.
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Redlimit Member
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posted October 21, 2002 08:39 AM
The Crown of Suspicion will be in play long enough for you to sacrifice it and name 'elves', so yes you can give all elves +2/-1(so you can kill off your own elf and this will trigger his search effect).
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FyreStar Member
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posted October 21, 2002 09:35 AM
quote: Originally posted by Redlimit: The Crown of Suspicion will be in play long enough for you to sacrifice it and name 'elves', so yes you can give all elves +2/-1(so you can kill off your own elf and this will trigger his search effect).
This is incorrect. Once the Crown of Suspicion resolves, the Wellwisher is sent to the graveyard as a state-based effect. The Crown, no longer having a permanent to enchant, also goes to the graveyard as a state-based effect. This all happens before any player receives priority to play spells or abilities. In other words, the Wellwisher dies and takes the Crown with it before anyone gets a chance to sacrifice the Crown.
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kLrMoWsE New Member
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posted October 21, 2002 04:36 PM
I've a question...this blue instant card from Apocalypse "Evasive Action" says "Counter target spell unless its controller pays 1 for each basic land type among lands you control" Would a Tundra count towards this card's effect? I mean, on the Tundra it says "Counts as both Islands and Plains and is affected by spells that affect either" ??? TIA kLrMoWsE
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elambert24 Member
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posted October 21, 2002 06:40 PM
quote: Originally posted by kLrMoWsE: I've a question...this blue instant card from Apocalypse "Evasive Action" says "Counter target spell unless its controller pays 1 for each basic land type among lands you control" Would a Tundra count towards this card's effect? I mean, on the Tundra it says "Counts as both Islands and Plains and is affected by spells that affect either" ??? TIA kLrMoWsE
No because basic land, by definition is limited to 5 cards: Island, Swamp, Mountain, Forest and Plains. If the lands NAME is not one of those, it IS NOT a basic land.
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FyreStar Member
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posted October 21, 2002 06:52 PM
quote: Originally posted by elambert24: No because basic land, by definition is limited to 5 cards: Island, Swamp, Mountain, Forest and Plains. If the lands NAME is not one of those, it IS NOT a basic land.
Actually, since the revised Dual Lands say in their rules text that they count as each of two different basic land types, Evasive Action would indeed count a Tundra as both an Island and a Plains. Casting Evasive Action with a Tundra and a Taiga in play would require your opponent to pay four mana or let the spell be countered. From the Planeshift FAQ: quote: - The _Revised Edition(TM)_ dual lands each have two basic land types. That means if you control only a Bayou and a Tundra, for example, there are 4 basic land types among lands you control. These are the only nonbasic lands for which this is true. Coastal Tower, for example, doesn't have a basic land type.
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kLrMoWsE New Member
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posted October 22, 2002 08:31 AM
hey, kewl beans fyrestar... thx for the info.where can I find the Planeshift FAQ? At magicthegathering.com? can you provide linkage? Thx's kLrMoWsE
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FyreStar Member
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posted October 22, 2002 08:38 AM
Sure. Click here.By the way, that section I quoted was from the Invasion FAQ, not the Planeshift FAQ. Sorry for the mix-up. __________________ You can't cheat an honest man.
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Goaswerfraiejen Member
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posted October 22, 2002 06:07 PM
Right, this is prolly the stupidest question ever, but it's for the benefit of an uneducated dude I play with occasionally. Don't even bother to ask how this question came up, it's just rather pitiful. Are tokens permanents or not? No flaming, now, I'm gonna send him to this post fer proof.__________________ Evil-doers! Cower in fright for I am the one, the only...uhh... Psst! Mat! What was that name again?What's yours is mine, and what's mine is mine... RIP-Ari. Kein Vogel Singt Mehr.
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TunaBoo Member
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posted October 22, 2002 06:41 PM
quote: Originally posted by Goaswerfraiejen: Right, this is prolly the stupidest question ever, but it's for the benefit of an uneducated dude I play with occasionally. Don't even bother to ask how this question came up, it's just rather pitiful. Are tokens permanents or not? No flaming, now, I'm gonna send him to this post fer proof.
Yes. Anything that is "sitting" in the play zone is considered a permanent. That includes lands, creatures, enchantments, artifacts, and yes, tokens.
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potm Member
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posted October 26, 2002 05:20 AM
all the way to the top! since people fail to perceive the BOLD PRINT in the topic list, then maybe a kick to the top of this page might help catching their eye. __________________ There was a scream from the garden; the emperor was playing chess again.Why don't they call cookies bakies instead? go to www.ruboonia.tk and sign on. you know you want it.. Legends count - 176/311 56.6% Complete
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Swimmer Member
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posted October 26, 2002 07:48 AM
If i play a Sylvan Library and i have a words of wilding in play, when i use Sylvan library's ability, can i not draw the cards and instead use it to put out 2 bear tokens?
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potm Member
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posted October 26, 2002 09:12 AM
quote: Originally posted by Swimmer: If i play a Sylvan Library and i have a words of wilding in play, when i use Sylvan library's ability, can i not draw the cards and instead use it to put out 2 bear tokens?
you may look at the top three cards of your library, put one in your hand, refuse to draw the other two, pay 2 generic and get 2 bears, yes. __________________ There was a scream from the garden; the emperor was playing chess again.Why don't they call cookies bakies instead? go to www.ruboonia.tk and sign on. you know you want it.. Legends count - 176/311 56.6% Complete
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FyreStar Member
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posted October 26, 2002 10:44 AM
quote: Originally posted by potm: you may look at the top three cards of your library, put one in your hand, refuse to draw the other two, pay 2 generic and get 2 bears, yes.
Actually, you don't get to look at any extra cards. You'd simply replace two draws with the Words effect, and then pay 4 life for the card you kept.
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potm Member
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posted October 26, 2002 12:08 PM
quote: Originally posted by FyreStar:
Actually, you don't get to look at any extra cards. You'd simply replace two draws with the Words effect, and then pay 4 life for the card you kept.
mattero'fact I had the nudging feeling that was simply too good to be true. but why do you have to pay 4 life? don't you rather have to pay life for each other card beyond the first?
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FyreStar Member
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posted October 26, 2002 12:54 PM
quote: Originally posted by potm: mattero'fact I had the nudging feeling that was simply too good to be true. but why do you have to pay 4 life? don't you rather have to pay life for each other card beyond the first?
Since the first part of Sylvan Library was activated, it goes on to the second part even if those draws were replaced. At that point, it looks for cards in your hand that you've drawn this turn. For up to the first two you don't put back, you must pay 4 life each. So, using Sylvan Library and Words of Wilding: Draw 3 and make 0 bears, you pay 8 life. Draw 2 and make 1 bear, you pay 8 life. Draw 1 and make 2 bears, you pay 4 life. Draw 0 and make 3 beats, you pay 0 life. The latter is probably the best scenario. Since you don't have any cards in hand that you've drawn this turn when the Library's effect finishes resolving, you don't have to pay any life. __________________ You can't cheat an honest man.
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sawa_boon Member
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posted October 26, 2002 02:02 PM
hi... well... stupid me... now i found the ruling thread. i thought it's some kind of another forum or something. ok.. well.. here's my question:is cycling counts as discarding? does it trigger megrim or spirit cairn? i've read the rulings and it did mention the word "discard". people in my area (including a judge)says that it won't trigger megrim or spirit cairn. I'm pretty confused and i'm looking for a correct answer. so...can anyone give me a firm answer so that i can go kick that judge's (who said no) butt.
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da-odd-templar Member
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posted October 26, 2002 06:36 PM
sawa - First off, have you ever posted on the misetings forum? Maybe it's another forum, but I def. remember seeing that handle before (and not on MOTL).Anyway, here's a clip from the comp rules: "502.18a Cycling is an activated ability that functions only while the card with cycling is in a player's hand. The phrase "Cycling [cost]" means "[Cost], Discard this card from your hand: Draw a card. Play this ability only if this card is in your hand." " It definitely is considered discarding, since it says it right on the text, so anything that triggers on you discarding would trigger on you cycling something. __________________ Ari - We'll miss you.
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Shadow88 Member
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posted October 27, 2002 05:05 AM
What is 'Converted Mana Cost?' Just curious, as a lot of new cards say it, where as the old ones, which I have more of, don't.__________________ Aim:ShadowFenix01, MD and GD regulars give me a shout.See if you're it HERE
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hycdpv unregistered
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posted October 27, 2002 05:48 AM
converted mana cost = generic mana cost + colour mana costexample: casting cost = 3RR converted mana cost = 3+2 =5
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Shadow88 Member
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posted October 27, 2002 06:06 AM
Oh, ok thanks. I was confused by it, so I just played it like that anyways.__________________ Aim:ShadowFenix01, MD and GD regulars give me a shout.See if you're it HERE
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Denizen Member
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posted October 27, 2002 08:53 AM
if i got a future sight down, can i pump my mongrel(or tog for that matter) until my deck runs out?__________________ Collect: Phyrexian Infiltrator = 15 Wild Research = 13 Cops & Rops = 148 Click on - ONE SITE TO RULE THEM ALL!
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