I will post my journal later.

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Originally posted by MeddlingMage:
fwybwed is dead.

Villagers, your votes are due Friday Night.

~MM

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Sorry wolves, fwybwed isn't the angel--you figured wrong. But I know why you made that guess:

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Originally posted by fwybwed:
...In regards GLE suspecting Thanos...Hell I was beginning to doubt him to. His play style this game is not consistant and when he came out as he did it was only because he was on the ropes. Thanos has dug himself a hole in regards to his playing the game. I knew with out a doubt he had a role but what role was yet to be determined...

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Voting GLE for: (a) voting the seer (twice), (b) suspecting PGB after he was cleared, (c) explanation given for (a) which is incongruent with his actions, (d) knowing fwy was a cit, (e) being the only remaining strong uncleared Thanos voter, and (f) setting himself up for the post-kill.

{VOTING: GLE (multiple reasons)}

Fwy was my #2 suspect. With him gone, I'm less certain of who the other wolf is... it could be Liq (GLE & Liq... that's scary) but I'm not so sure it is. I'm inclined to think it isn't TOL or Bernek based on their identical votes (any comments on that from you two?) It can't be XPR based on R1. That leaves AGM, BernieB, or MasterWolf.

I dunno... nobody in that list strikes me as overtly wolfy.

Now GLE or his proxy (or both) are going to build a case on me this round. And I'll preempt by saying, whatever, if you guys want to waste this round by wasting me, knock yourselves out. Just keep in mind you have 3 lynches left, R4, R5, R6. You take me out, you are stuck with only 2 lynches left. I'd hope you would take GLE out in R5 at the very least, but it would be better if you took him out now.

You may not trust me, but at this point it has been demonstrated that you can take Bugger at his word--and he was quite clear. You can think he was wrong but you can't think he was lying anymore. That bit of paranoia is safely done away with.

{SUMMARY: Ha ha, wolves guessed wrong. Voting GLE.}

The thing is, it is mid way through the game and the wolves could be trying to get us to lynch a strong player. We made this mistake in an earlier game going with GLE and he turned out to be a villager. I would hate to make the same mistake again.

PD, your rhyming in the beginning is similar to WW3.5 I doubt you are inclined to make the same mistake. You have been over helpful and I also feel I caught a read on the angel myself.

Liq, good old Liq. You constantly give the same information but percentages change. Some of the changes I don't understand and some I do. I would like to hear a more in depth analysis from you.

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Originally posted by PlasteredDragon:
Given the clearly (and repeatedly) voiced sentiment that the angel should protect you, if you die the angel is going to have a lot to answer for. As I noted earlier, I expect there will be no angel saves this game.

But if it makes you feel better:

Dear Angel, you are officially PGB's underwear. If you leave his butt uncovered this round, we're going to take you back to the store for a replacement.

{SUMMARY: Angel's direction should be clear. And that's why there can be no saves.}

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Originally posted by PlasteredDragon:
I'm inclined to think it isn't TOL or Bernek based on their identical votes (any comments on that from you two?)

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Just that I hadn't noticed that until it was brought up last round and I still didn't notice that I was 'shadowing' him last vote either.

Suspicion Levels (Arranged from least suspected to most suspected within percentages):

0-20%:
ThoughtsofLepers
PGB
PlasteredDragon
XplicitR

20-50%:
BernieB
MasterWolf
Bernek77

50-70%:
AlmasterGM

70-80%:
Liq
GLE

As you can see, I think our best bets are GLE and Liq. The case for GLE has been detailed at length by PD and Bugger several times. There's no point in me rehashing it.

As for Liq, I seriously do think he was ballsy enough to accuse BoT in his first post. (And to include GLE in his top suspicions as well...Which is the only reason I'm more sure of Liq than GLE. *That* does seem like an unlikely thing for Liq to do if Liq and GLE are both wolves.) He switches his vote to PGB in his next post, and moves BoT down to mid-level suspects. BoT posts, thanking Liq *very* sarcastically (Re-read the post. Definitely worth thinking about) for a starting a bandwagon on him (which I contend that Liq can't actually be credited with doing, and that Liqs "declaration" had nothing at all to do with BoTs lynch) As my final piece of "evidence", (at least I realize there's very little of that here) I submit this: *He's still alive!*

Wolf or not, there are reasons for GLE and PD to still be alive. They are both suspected. It's good for the wolves to not kill wrongly suspected people. (That's a bit obvious, I'd say.) There's no reason for Liq to be alive if he's a citizen.

Tonight, I ponder of the events gone past. Bugger, oh Bugger I’m so sorry, forgive me my friend.

I witnessed his execution and it was so much different then that of BoT. He looked in to my eyes as the noose was been strung, and I stared back with my arrogance. He glanced at the graves near by,an empty grave sat dark and ready. In my mind I laughed and thought “As if he will be buried here, the fiend!” Once dead he will burn.

Then as the plank dropped and the crowd gasped, he hung; he twitched, but did not force a change in his voice or his eyes.

We were wrong…. I looked at the ground, as some shouted that it was in our best interest. Or that he had brought this upon himself. For a fleeting moment I agreed. Agreeing only to help deal with my guilt, I feel such shame for my part in this.

God, forgive me as I was wrong.

I do not wish to accuse anyone anymore. I am through with the killings. Enough! I am glad I had my wife and kids sent to the neighboring Ville, to be safe. And have not witness her love take part in this treachery. I am just as savage as these beasts among us. I buried Bugger amongst the other innocents lost in darkness.

Oh God, watch over me as the Monster has come for me this instant, as I write this the monster caresses my house. I see its eyes through the wooden shutters. I’m glad I dug my hole this day. But I will not go easy.

My axe......!

No.....!

Darkness!

Why I was trying to build a conspiracy case against Bugger and Xplicitr, they came back at me. However, Xplicitr brought up another name seeing as he thought I was forgetting to bring him up. But, now when I look back BernieB tried jumping on my bandwagon and come after me. After I wasn't gonna be lynched he hasn't had anything to say about anything else I believe.

He has risen in my suspicion category and until I hear from Liq he is there as well. 2 Very quality players and very knowledgeable ot the game. Throughout this game he has not been brought up as a suspicious person and he is a very skilled vet.

Hi Bernie! Guess who has my current vote

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Yes that i right PD i am going there. I like how you bring up that you don't think I am a wolf. It' almost like you are trying to get me on your side. Trying to get me to trust you. I have brought up similarities from your other play and now I can see why you would try to throw that little comment out there.

It has been talk about 3 players out there that require attention. Liq, GLE and PD! I think PD should get the AX! PD would you have a problem going to the noose? All game long you have made a point to announce your innocence. However, there is no proof of this what so ever. What gives you a pass?

I urge the remaining players, I know I am not one to get people along my side. I know alot of you don't like my play. However, this is a repeat of PD vs. GLE from a previous game. We all lynched GLE, he was innocent and P turned out to be a wolf. He brought up the same thing about GLE still being around.

VOTING AND NOT CHANGING: PD

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Originally posted by Bernek77:
After currently re reading the thread, PD is trying to pull what he did before with him and GLE. We all took PD's word and lynched GLE. PD never garnished attention pretty much after that and turned out to be a wolf. I think we are getting a repeat performance. As well as the Poetry in the beginning.

Yes that i right PD i am going there. I like how you bring up that you don't think I am a wolf. It' almost like you are trying to get me on your side. Trying to get me to trust you. I have brought up similarities from your other play and now I can see why you would try to throw that little comment out there.

It has been talk about 3 players out there that require attention. Liq, GLE and PD! I think PD should get the AX! PD would you have a problem going to the noose? All game long you have made a point to announce your innocence. However, there is no proof of this what so ever. What gives you a pass?

I urge the remaining players, I know I am not one to get people along my side. I know alot of you don't like my play. However, this is a repeat of PD vs. GLE from a previous game. We all lynched GLE, he was innocent and P turned out to be a wolf. He brought up the same thing about GLE still being around.

VOTING AND NOT CHANGING: PD

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Originally posted by puregoblinboy47:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bernek77:
After currently re reading the thread, PD is trying to pull what he did before with him and GLE. We all took PD's word and lynched GLE. PD never garnished attention pretty much after that and turned out to be a wolf. I think we are getting a repeat performance. As well as the Poetry in the beginning.

Yes that i right PD i am going there. I like how you bring up that you don't think I am a wolf. It' almost like you are trying to get me on your side. Trying to get me to trust you. I have brought up similarities from your other play and now I can see why you would try to throw that little comment out there.

It has been talk about 3 players out there that require attention. Liq, GLE and PD! I think PD should get the AX! PD would you have a problem going to the noose? All game long you have made a point to announce your innocence. However, there is no proof of this what so ever. What gives you a pass?

I urge the remaining players, I know I am not one to get people along my side. I know alot of you don't like my play. However, this is a repeat of PD vs. GLE from a previous game. We all lynched GLE, he was innocent and P turned out to be a wolf. He brought up the same thing about GLE still being around.

VOTING AND NOT CHANGING: PD

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Because this is how things transpired before. PGB I know you are against my play. You don't have the patience to comprhend my rationality either. But when there are similarities from when a player was a wolf and when there are similarities when a player is a villager, do we not go after the wolf like player.

Look I wish there was more I can say but I just don't believe GLE to be a wolf after re-reading the threads and I do believe what he was saying. Also, PD is trying to build the same type of case he did before.

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Originally posted by Bernek77:
Because this is how things transpired before. PGB I know you are against my play. You don't have the patience to comprhend my rationality either. But when there are similarities from when a player was a wolf and when there are similarities when a player is a villager, do we not go after the wolf like player.

Look I wish there was more I can say but I just don't believe GLE to be a wolf after re-reading the threads and I do believe what he was saying. Also, PD is trying to build the same type of case he did before.

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Originally posted by puregoblinboy47:
It was a simple question. Don't try to put words in my mouth.

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PGB the last thing I am trying to do is that but, let' be honest it's no secret. I am just trying to get people to see something that I see from different patterns with PD

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Originally posted by Bernek77:
After currently re reading the thread, PD is trying to pull what he did before with him and GLE. We all took PD's word and lynched GLE.

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Clue up, B. In R2 of WW7, after a solid round of silence apart from a vote for me (with no evidence) GLE came out gunning for me. His argument was terrible, but he was right, I was a wolf. I had to fight for my life to survive and I managed to pull it off with the population split right down the middle.

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Originally posted by Bernek77:
PD never garnished attention pretty much after that and turned out to be a wolf.

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In other words NOTHING LIKE THIS GAME.

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Originally posted by Bernek77:
I think we are getting a repeat performance. As well as the Poetry in the beginning.

Yes that i right PD i am going there.

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071. Oct-08 08:29 AM: PlasteredDragon - part 1, page 3 - (ref: mardak)
077. Oct-08 01:46 PM: PlasteredDragon - part 1, page 4 - (ref: hil)
114. Oct-08 08:01 PM: PlasteredDragon - part 1, page 5 - (ref: mardak)

Three humorous songs = an entire round composed of semi-serious poetry in King James English? Once again if you ingest enough chemicals, I suppose so. What Bernek conveniently forgets is that I also wrote humorous songs in WW6, when I was a... anyone? anyone? CIT.

300. Feb-04 12:50 AM: PlasteredDragon - Get back moonlover! We ain't playin' like that! - (ref: TMB)

As I have explained before a behavior is an indicator if it is something someone does only as a wolf. If it's something someone does both as a wolf or a cit it indicates NOTHING.

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Originally posted by Bernek77:
I like how you bring up that you don't think I am a wolf. It' almost like you are trying to get me on your side. Trying to get me to trust you. I have brought up similarities from your other play and now I can see why you would try to throw that little comment out there.

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Originally posted by Bernek77:
It has been talk about 3 players out there that require attention. Liq, GLE and PD! I think PD should get the AX! PD would you have a problem going to the noose? All game long you have made a point to announce your innocence. However, there is no proof of this what so ever. What gives you a pass?

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My unfortunate PM to XPR (its contents having been revealed) has been taken as a sign by multiple players (including the recently confirmed cit, Bugger) that I am likely a cit. Largely because (a) to send it as a wolf would require a level of dishonesty or a lapse of integrity that I am not capable of, and (b) I would have no way of knowing that XPR would reveal it to everyone. Basically I stood nothing to gain from that PM except potentially getting XPR to edit his post before people saw it and hopefully hiding Thanos' role. Unfortunately it didn't work out that way.

As far as am I willing to step into the noose? Sure. Except I seem to remember last round it was Bugger or GLE, and GLE was happy to let Bugger go first. Here we are in the next round and now somebody else has to go before GLE? I've got an idea, how about we let GLE go first this time?

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Originally posted by Bernek77:
I urge the remaining players, I know I am not one to get people along my side. I know alot of you don't like my play. However, this is a repeat of PD vs. GLE from a previous game. We all lynched GLE, he was innocent and P turned out to be a wolf. He brought up the same thing about GLE still being around.

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393. May-13 06:53 PM: ThoughtsofLepers - Suspicion list, suspects Liq & GLE most, AGM next. Interesting the strongest players are all still alive. - (ref: everybody but fwy, Jack, Jaz, ryan, Tnos)

And secondly, I never made that charge against GLE in WW7 when I was a wolf. GLE died in WW7-R2 because I was able to point out flaws in his arguments. I never said "why are you still alive GLE?"

The only player I've ever made that charge against was Liq, and I think it was WW9 (and I was a cit).

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Originally posted by Bernek77:
VOTING AND NOT CHANGING: PD

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Originally posted by Bernek77:
Because this is how things transpired before. [...] Look I wish there was more I can say but I just don't believe GLE to be a wolf after re-reading the threads and I do believe what he was saying. Also, PD is trying to build the same type of case he did before.

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Originally posted by puregoblinboy47:
Why does this need to be between PD and GLE?

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If GLE is a wolf, from his perspective, since I'm still here, he really needs to get rid of me via the citizenry. And it's in his interest to do so via a proxy. This could be either a tool of a player who is paranoid and full of conviction, or it could be his lieutenant wolf. Either way, I need to either be removed or have my credibility so damaged that I don't keep drawing attention to GLE. If I'm right and it's GLE plus a weak or mediocre wolf, they really don't want the mediocre wolf to be the only one left.

I cautioned during night phase to be on the lookout for the attack that was coming, and warned that it might come through a proxy. Obviously this sudden 180 on Bernek's part raises my suspicions of him.

My case against GLE is made, and made well--it's the strongest case I've seen made this game. I'm not going to rehash it. You guys can vote him or not vote him. I'm not going to sweat it, it's just a game.

{SUMMARY: Responding to Bernek's poor accusation. Responds to PGB's question.}
{SUSPECT: Bernek77 (proxy attacker?)}

EDIT: minor tweaks to focus more on substance and less on my irritation with Bernek.

Secondly, You are gonna use the defense of the PM to Xplicitr. You being a wolf could be very upset that he put that out there. As it now becomes a signal to the Angel for who to protect. That puts a damper in your plans. SO that night you take out Jaz for Dinner, only she is your Main course.

You wait a round hoping some other people can make a case against Thanos then leaving the Angel in confusion so you can take him out.

If you recall WW6 I was the first dead. So with that being said I didn't really pay much attention to that game. But I don't want to hear that it isn't possible for you to use the poetry thing again and not be a wolf.

The one thing I will not do is insult your intelligence, and you are a very clever individual. But nothing GLE has done this game AFTER re-reading seems suspicious.

Your right, I don't carry a lot of weight in this game. Also, knowing that, it is very easy for you to dismiss me an my argument and know that no one would care to listen.

All I am saying is PD could of orchestrated this entire set-up very easily. And as soon as someone brought it up he could build his defense.

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Originally posted by Bernek77:
Of first thing I misspelled the word, but I know what it means and you know I used it in the right context.

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Originally posted by Bernek77:
Secondly, You are gonna use the defense of the PM to Xplicitr. You being a wolf could be very upset that he put that out there. As it now becomes a signal to the Angel for who to protect. That puts a damper in your plans.

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Originally posted by Bernek77:
SO that night you take out Jaz for Dinner, only she is your Main course.

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Originally posted by Bernek77:
You wait a round hoping some other people can make a case against Thanos then leaving the Angel in confusion so you can take him out.

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Originally posted by Bernek77:
If you recall WW6 I was the first dead.

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Originally posted by Bernek77:
So with that being said I didn't really pay much attention to that game. But I don't want to hear that it isn't possible for you to use the poetry thing again and not be a wolf.

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Let's say you go to the grocery store, and the cashier is wearing plaid pants and overcharges you by $1 for your groceries. The next day you go to the grocery store and the same cashier is again wearing plaid pants and does NOT overcharge you. If you go back a third time and you see him wearing plaid pants does that mean he's going to overcharge you? No. What he charges doesn't appear to have any correlation with whether or not he is wearing plaid pants. Likewise the fact that I wrote funny songs as a wolf and a fact that I wrote funny songs as a cit makes clear that me writing funny songs DOESN'T TELL YOU ANYTHING about whether or not I'm a wolf.

So stop blathering about how I must be a wolf because what I did in R1 is superficially similar to what I did in WW3.2--it is a nonindicator--it doesn't mean ANYTHING.

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Originally posted by Bernek77:
The one thing I will not do is insult your intelligence, and you are a very clever individual. But nothing GLE has done this game AFTER re-reading seems suspicious.

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Originally posted by Bernek77:
All I am saying is PD could of orchestrated this entire set-up very easily. And as soon as someone brought it up he could build his defense.

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What setup are you talking about? I somehow got Thanos to drop the seer hints, I got GLE to vote for him twice (undeclared the second time), I got GLE to say what he said, I got GLE to name fwy as a cit, I got GLE to suspect PGB after he was cleared?

Bernek, honestly, you get ideas and you are unable to evaluate them. You simply get a notion and then look for reasons why it must be true, and it doesn't matter if the reasons make sense at all. Okay you think I'm some sort of criminal mastermind. Fine. I'm not going to argue with you about it. If that's what you think you should vote me.

{SUMMARY: Shredding Bernek's latest volley.}

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Name : K1 : L1 : K2 : L2 : K3 : L3 : K4
 
GLE  : +1 : +2 : +1 : +2 : +1 : -1 : -1
PD   : +1 : -1 : +1 : +1 : -1 : -1 : -1
PGB  : +0 : +2 : +1 : +1 : -1 : +1 : +0
BB   : +0 : +1 : +1 : -1 : +1 : -1 : +1
ALM  : +0 : +2 : +0 : -1 : +0 : -1 : +1
MW   : -1 : +1 : -1 : +0 : +0 : -1 : +0
XPL  : -1 : +2 : -1 : +1 : +0 : -1 : +0
B77  : +0 : -1 : +1 : -1 : +1 : +1 : +1
TOL  : -1 : -1 : -1 : -1 : -1 : +1 : +0
FWYB : +0 : +1 : +0 : -1 : +0 : +1
BUG  : +0 : +1 : +2 : +1 : -1 : -1
THAN : +0 : -1 : +0 : +1
JACK : -1 : -1 : +0 : -1
JAZ  : +0 : -1
BOT  : +1 : +2

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Originally posted by ThoughtsofLepers:
*He's still alive!*

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Same can be said of PD and GLE.

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Originally posted by Bernek77:
I would like to hear a more in depth analysis from you.

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AlmasterGM (55%) : He's been near quiet this entire game. Haven't been able to figure him out.

Masterwolf (54%): Again, near quiet. But he's been having computer problems so I can't hold that against him. At times he seems be the Standard MW making noob mistakes and others he seems to have improved to average player.

BernieB (53%) : And yet again, near quiet. However of what he's posted, nothing of which do I find suspicious.

XplicitR (52%) : Got a bit heated in the early rounds but seems to have cooled off. Did he do this to sow confusion and suspicion between those he wanted dead and now has settled down because we are headed in the direction he wants?

Bernek77 (52%) : Plenty has been said about Bernek. Crude is the best way to describe him. He wants things to go the way he sees fit and doesn't listen to reason. Is he grinding with others in order to distract us from his partner?

PlasteredDragon (51%) : I'm pretty much always suspicious of PD. He uses my Mafia 1.01 Strategy (Data Overload). It allows a wolf to seem like the helpful cit with no bias.

GottaLoveElves (50%) : GLE is a good cit but a bad wolf. That said, I don't think that if GLE was a wolf, he would have allowed fwyb to be killed. It would focus too much attention from PD.

puregoblinboy47 (48%) : I understand PD's logic behind his "confirmed cit" status but my gut says not to trust that. However as long as the seer did not present that information himself, I will take it with a grain of salt.

ThoughtsofLepers (47%) : I can't see ToL being a wolf. But that's probably because he hasn't been a wolf in any previous game.

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Currently I feel as I'm heading in the wrong direction so I've taken my suspicion list and inverted it. Leaving the two players I feel are villagers at the bottom of the list.

As it stands I'm unsure who I'm going to vote for but it will likely be between Almaster, MW, and Bernie. PD you mind giving me links to their posts?

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Thanks for supplying your variables, you really should include a total column.

Yes I'll get you the post lists, but I don't have the tracker here at work, it will have to wait until tonight. Sorry!

{SUMMARY: responds to Liq re:GLE; promises post lists later tonight.}

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Originally posted by ThoughtsofLepers:
*He's still alive!*

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Originally posted by Liq:
Same can be said of PD and GLE.

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I attempted to offer an explanation for this but I fear I wasn't very clear.

Break it down!

I think we can all agree that Liq, GLE, and PD are either wolves or citizens. No other options there since if you're the Angel, you're a citizen.

IF GLE is a wolf, (which I think he is) then of course he's still alive. Self-explanatory.

IF GLE is a cit, he is still alive because he is so heavily suspected. Why would the wolves kill a highly suspected person, when several of the players are busy chasing dead-ends trying to get him lynched? They wouldn't. They'd leave him alive. He may be a great player, and a dangerous citizen, but only if he can convince other citizens. If he's not trusted by the majority, it's great for the wolves to leave him alive to cause dissent.

IF PD is a wolf, (I think that's very unlikely) then of course he's still alive. Self-explanatory.

IF PD is a cit, he is still alive because he is (and has been) so heavily suspected. (Note that I let the wolves believe I suspected PD all through last round and night phase) Why would the wolves kill a highly suspected person, when several of the players are busy chasing dead-ends trying to get him lynched? They wouldn't. They'd leave him alive. He may be a great player, and a dangerous citizen, but only if he can convince other citizens. If he's not trusted by the majority, it's great for the wolves to leave him alive to cause dissent.

IF Liq is a wolf, (which I think he is) then of course he's still alive. Self-explanatory.

IF Liq is a cit, there is NO reason for him to be alive, because he really hasn't garnered any suspicion until *this* round. In other words, the populace doesn't necessarily distrust Liq, therefore he would be a dangerous citizen for the wolves to leave alive.

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Originally posted by Bernek77:
Of first thing I misspelled the word, but I know what it means and you know I used it in the right context.

Secondly, You are gonna use the defense of the PM to Xplicitr. You being a wolf could be very upset that he put that out there. As it now becomes a signal to the Angel for who to protect. That puts a damper in your plans. SO that night you take out Jaz for Dinner, only she is your Main course.

You wait a round hoping some other people can make a case against Thanos then leaving the Angel in confusion so you can take him out.

If you recall WW6 I was the first dead. So with that being said I didn't really pay much attention to that game. But I don't want to hear that it isn't possible for you to use the poetry thing again and not be a wolf.

The one thing I will not do is insult your intelligence, and you are a very clever individual. But nothing GLE has done this game AFTER re-reading seems suspicious.

Your right, I don't carry a lot of weight in this game. Also, knowing that, it is very easy for you to dismiss me an my argument and know that no one would care to listen.

All I am saying is PD could of orchestrated this entire set-up very easily. And as soon as someone brought it up he could build his defense.

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Bernek, you also said that me and Bugger staged a fight, and that you were positive Bugger was a wolf and if not I was, so how come you are going after PD now? What about me? Also GLE is more suspicious than you think, but seeing as you only gun for cits, you have to be either a mediocre wolf in which case you should just be cut-off from the pack, or an ignorant person. Either way you are a parasite to the cits and I wished that you had gone last round instead of Bugger who is more insightful.

Also about the PM you guys keep bringing up, I had forwarded it to nberdog without responding to it, because I figured it was against the game.

I am still voting for GLE. If enough of a bandwagon does form on Bernek I will be glad to vote for him.

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Originally posted by PD:
393. May-13 06:53 PM: ThoughtsofLepers - Suspicion list, suspects Liq & GLE most, AGM next. Interesting the strongest players are all still alive. - (ref: everybody but fwy, Jack, Jaz, ryan, Tnos)

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21-40%:
XplicitR

41-50%: (People who I have not developed any strong opinion about)
BernieB
ThoughtsofLepers

51%+
PD
GottaLoveElves
AlmasterGM
Bernek77
Liq

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No one has picked up on the fact that every time AGM plays this quiet of a game, he's been a wolf?

GLE is still number 1 on my suspicion list. His actions from the beginning of the game, including attempts to get Thanos and PGB lynched have been noted extensively by PD. He is one of the strongest players left in the game, and the large number of strong players left leads me to believe that at least 1 wolf is among them, and that they have been keeping that "pile" large to avoid suspicion. His actions have been all defensive, and he has yet to put forth a convincing argument or suspicion against any other players. As a strong player who is usually very insightful, I find this suspicious as well.

PD's arguments are very well thought out and convincing. However, I would not expect any different if he were a wolf. I have been giving PD a pass throughout the game due to the "PM incident". But now I'm wondering if he's got balls big enough to pull that play as a wolf. The more I think about it, he just might be gutsy enough to try it. But I'm willing to give him a pass for now. However, I'm a little nervous of PD staying alive too long if he's a wolf. People overall seem to just follow whatever he says, especially late game. If GLE is not a wolf, I am voting PD the round after and I recommend everyone follow suit, despite the fact that he will probably make a very good arguement against someone else if GLE is proven innocent.

If GLE is a wolf, then I think Bernek, AGM, or Liq is most definately a wolf, and I personally will be giving PD a pass for the rest of the game. Despite the fact that this could be potentially very dangerous if both PD and GLE are wolves, I don't think they would make the play of creating huge arguments against each other at this stage in the game, especially after losing a wolf so early.

Currently my top 3 suspects are GLE, Bernek, and AGM. I am almost definately voting GLE this round.

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Originally posted by ThoughtsofLepers:
PD - This is just a small nitpick of no real consequence, but you should retitle that post. If you re-read it you will note I said nothing like this: "Interesting the strongest players are all still alive."...."Interesting that Liq is still alive" is much closer, at least.

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At the very least the summary tag is like an automatic TL;DR at the bottom of your post which boils down your thoughts. And it's far more likely to be accurate if you supply it rather than counting on me to do it.

Sadly most players just aren't using tracker tags which means I have to continue to guess their intentions when I annotate their posts in the tracker. One last time for those who care--there are four basic tags.

• SUMMARY is to describe your post in a single sentence (we want to keep them short) and it causes your summary to appear on the post link if I ever post a set of post links including your post. The syntax is:
  {SUMMARY: summary_text}
• SUSPECT is to identify people you suspect. You can include a reason for the suspicion (keep it short) if you want, and you can suspect multiple people in a single tag. The syntax is:
  {SUSPECT: player_name (optional_reason)}
  or:
  {SUSPECT: player_1_name,player_2_name (optional_reason)}
• VOTING is used to record a vote, like SUSPECT it can take an optional reason, but of course you can only vote for one person. The syntax is:
  {VOTING: player_name (optional_reason)}
• TRUST is a way to indicate that you do NOT suspect someone (i.e. you feel pretty strongly that they are a cit.) It can also be used to retract an earlier announced vote or suspicion. As with SUSPECT you can TRUST multiple people in a single tag, and you can supply an optional reason if you like. The syntax is:
  {TRUST: player_name (optional_reason)}
  Or:
  {TRUST: player_1_name,player_2_name (optional_reason)}
  

If you use these tags you make my life easier and you ensure that I can present the most accurate information possible when asked to do so. (And if any of you start using trackers, why, the tags will help you in the same way.)

The syntax of the tags all follow the same general conventions.

1. Tags start with a left-curly-brace. {
2. This is followed by the tag name. SUMMARY, TRUST, SUSPECT, VOTING
3. The tag name is followed by a colon. :
4. The tag body for summary is just a blob of text. For all other tags, the next item is either a single player name or multiple player names separated by commas.
5. If you would like to include an optional reason, it follows the player names and should be within parentheses. (reason text goes here)
6. The tag should end with a right-curly-brace. }

{SUMMARY: PD agrees with TOL to update the summary of P#393. Recommends TOL and others use tags.}

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Originally posted by MasterWolf:
...I have been giving PD a pass throughout the game due to the "PM incident". But now I'm wondering if he's got balls big enough to pull that play as a wolf. The more I think about it, he just might be gutsy enough to try it...

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While I'm not above making a mistake (which I certainly did in this case), I am not going to deliberately cheat to try and win the game. It isn't a matter of having the guts, it's a matter of having integrity, which I have.

The last time we had clearly illegal ingame PM's, I was the recipient. I was a cit and the sender was a wolf--he begged me not to lynch him and spilled a bunch of information about the wolves (without realizing it). That was clearly a game breaker and I notified MM and he terminated the game (WW3.1). This time around, the fact that the less paranoid among us take the unfortunate incident as proof of me being a cit, it does give the cits a slight advantage they shouldn't have. For that, at the very least, I'm recommending to MM that I be given no points if my team wins.

That said, even as a wolf, I'd have no way of knowing that XPR would report the PM, or that he would then announce to everyone in the thread that I had sent him a PM after MM said it would be discussed in the endgame. To actually orchestrate the whole sorry scenario, XPR and I would BOTH have to be wolves, which would defeat the purpose because the PM would no longer be illegal.

{SUMMARY: discusses the PM that wouldn't die.}

Posts by AlmasterGM:

010. Apr-26 07:02 PM: signed up - (ref: nobody)
078. May-01 08:07 PM: PD's rhyme is amazing - (ref: PD)
090. May-02 09:49 AM: Agrees with PGB#81. Voting Thanos. - (ref: Liq, ryan, Tnos)
104. May-03 11:04 AM: Thinks Bugger's switch is nonbeneficial. - (ref: BOT, Bug, Tnos)
118. May-03 02:43 PM: Complains about "pile manipulation" in the attempt to keep the Tnos pile from growing too large. - (ref: Bug, Jack, PD, Tnos, TOL)
152. May-04 04:18 PM: re: MW#139 - you have got to be kidding. - (ref: MW)
162. May-04 09:32 PM: Stop complaining, XPR. Suspects PGB. - (ref: BOT, fwy, GLE, PD, PGB, Tnos, xplicit)
184. May-05 01:57 PM: Stop bringing up the PM. Lotta talk in night phase. - (ref: Bug, xplicit)
191. May-05 07:58 PM: Votes PGB. - (ref: PGB)
215. May-06 05:22 PM: Notes JSP's reference to offing the SP's. Sounds like experienced player talking. - (ref: Jack, MW, PGB)
233. May-07 12:56 PM: Re: XPR#232 - maybe that's what you want us to think - (ref: xplicit)
362. May-11 02:21 PM: Votes GLE. Suspects Bugger. Discusses GLE's posting behavior. - (ref: Bug, GLE, PD)

Posts by MasterWolf:

006. Apr-26 05:13 PM: signed up - (ref: nobody)
043. Apr-28 01:30 PM: banter - (ref: Bernk)
074. May-01 01:53 PM: computer not working, sending in vote now - (ref: nobody)
135. May-04 06:46 AM: Back! Voting AGM -- doesn't like the WW8 "stunt". - (ref: AGM, ryan)
139. May-04 09:03 AM: Until more evidence, voting Almaster based on story concocted in WW8. - (ref: AGM)
141. May-04 11:55 AM: Re: Bernek#140: ha ha - (ref: Bernk)
172. May-05 06:52 AM: Awesome. Thinks wolves wouldn't vote for leader. More later. - (ref: nobody)
179. May-05 12:53 PM: XPR why are you so jumpy and defensive - (ref: xplicit)
198. May-06 07:17 AM: Thoughts and suspicions. - (ref: everybody but BOT, MW, ryan)
208. May-06 09:53 AM: Bernek's outburst makes him more suspicious. - (ref: BOT, Bernk)
224. May-07 07:27 AM: Suspects Bernek & PGB. Leaning Bernek. Can we get post count? - (ref: AGM, BOT, Bernk, Jack, PD, PGB, Tnos)
227. May-07 08:13 AM: Thanks PD. - (ref: PD)
251. May-07 09:35 PM: Ranting over missed vote. - (ref: nobody)
254. May-08 12:11 AM: Apologizes for rant. - (ref: nobody)
350. May-11 09:10 AM: Has to catch up on thread, will post later. - (ref: nobody)
360. May-11 01:28 PM: Identifies suspects. Top three: GLE, AGM, Bernek. - (ref: everybody but BOT, Jack, Jaz, MW, ryan)
361. May-11 01:56 PM: Votes GLE. - (ref: Bernk, Bug, GLE)
380. May-13 12:00 PM: Doesn't like PD's post. Laying things out for WWs. - (ref: PD)
410. May-14 01:49 PM: Suspicion list. Suspects AGM for silence. GLE #1 suspect. Nervy about PD. Suspects Bernek. Voting GLE. - (ref: AGM, Bernk, BernB, GLE, Liq, PD, PGB, Tnos, TOL, xplicit)

Posts by BernieB:

009. Apr-26 06:57 PM: signed up - (ref: nobody)
016. Apr-27 04:56 AM: joking around - (ref: Bernk)
055. Apr-30 03:25 PM: MM? - (ref: nobody)
075. May-01 03:03 PM: joking around, pacifist wolves - (ref: nobody)
086. May-02 08:44 AM: Why is PGB so angry? Trying to disrupt game? Voting PGB. - (ref: PGB, Tnos)
171. May-05 05:02 AM: 1 down, 2 to go, my money is still on PGB. - (ref: PGB)
211. May-06 03:59 PM: Can't decide between JSP and PGB. Leaning PGB. - (ref: Bernk, Jack, PGB)
287. May-09 08:37 AM: Suspects Bernek for getting riled -- thinks it is because people were drawing angel's attn to Thanos. - (ref: Bernk, Tnos)
321. May-10 10:41 AM: Suspects PGB and Bernek. Voting Bernek. - (ref: Bernk, PGB)

Post Count Report

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Post Count Report
 
From: 001: 26-Apr 16:06 MeddlingMage - rules posted
  To: 412: 14-May 14:16 PlasteredDragon - discusses the PM that wouldn't...
 
Living Players:
                     R0   R1   R2   R3   R4  TOT   P/R
AlmasterGM            1    7    3    1    0   11   2.8
Bernek77              2    5    8   12    6   31   7.8
BernieB               4    2    1    2    0    5   1.3
GottaLoveElves        6    4    1   15    0   20   5.0
Liq                   1    4    3    5    1   13   3.3
MasterWolf            3    5    6    4    1   16   4.0
PlasteredDragon      16   24   18   37    6   85  21.3
puregoblinboy47       1    7    2    4    3   16   4.0
ThoughtsofLepers      1    4    2    1    3   10   2.5
XplicitR              4    9    9    5    2   25   6.3
 
Dead Players:
                     R0   R1   R2   R3   R4  TOT   P/R
Battle_of_Twits       2    3                   3   3.0
Bugger               12   18   14   15        47  15.7
fwybwed               2    2    7    5        14   4.7
JackSpade             3    4    4              8   4.0
Jazaray               3    2                   2   2.0
ryan2754              4                        0   0.0
Thanos                2    7    4             11   5.5

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Voting Records

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PLAYER            R01  R02  R03  R04  GRP  STA
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MasterWolf        AGM  ---  GLE  GLE   1    A
Bernek77          BOT  XPR  BUG  PD    2    A
PlasteredDragon   BOT  JSP  GLE  GLE   2    A
ThoughtsofLepers  BOT  XPR  BUG  ---   2    A
BernieB           PGB  PGB  B77  ---   3    A
Liq               PD   JSP  BUG  ---   3    A
AlmasterGM        THA  PGB  GLE  ---   4    A
GottaLoveElves    THA  THA  B77  ---   4    A
XplicitR          THA  JSP  B77  GLE   4    A
puregoblinboy47   THA  JSP  BUG  ---   C    A
fwybwed           AGM  BUG  BUG        C    E
Bugger            JSP  JSP  B77        C    L
Thanos            BOT  JSP             S    E
JackSpade         BOT  BUG             C    L
Jazaray           BOT                  C    E
Battle_of_Twits   THA                  W    L
ryan2754                               C    E

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{SUMMARY: post lists for MW, BB, AGM plus post counts and voting records.}